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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    might be but never the less Bahamut (Shockwave & Ahk Morn) will add some serious dmg to your own skill dmg. I think most people underestimate Shockwave... f.e if you ll be able to throw in 10 skills in those 20 secs of adv. trance, Shockwave adds 1600 pot (10x160) + 1560 pot (2x Ahk Morn) on top of the burst skillpots themselves...+10% overall due to Rudas Con... might still not be enough to compete but well... we will see : /
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    You again... *sigh*
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    Oh get real... what fantasy world do you live in that makes you think I will ever leave or stop speaking just because YOU don't like it...

    Haven't you learned that by now?
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    The one thing you still don't get is that everybody is expecting things you on the other hand think you know things for sure. Well never mind... your ignorance bores me to hell.
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    Last edited by Neela; 06-18-2017 at 07:03 AM.

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    At 64 blm was doing better than a smn and rdm in normal dungeons, du to thunder iv.

    But at 70 blm get foul, 30 every 30 sec only, if they don't drop an astral, which can happen faster than before. Spells peed is slower and you cant move as early as before when finishing a cast. Blm has feels more clunky, like during 3.0 and 3.1, new moves aside.

    At 70 the smn have an equal footing, smn get buffed between 64 an 70.
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    I'm thinking at this point its not going to and BLM will maintain the full advantage. I have no doubt about the effectiveness of Thunder IV. Already with just Thunder 2, the AoE and procs are astonishing when combined with F2's and Flare. Against Red Mage I don't know yet. I've only see that one to level 54 at this point the speedy damage from the Red Mage may come out on top, I don't know. But up to that point they're very competitive... Summoner not so much.

    In PoTD the Summoner in our group fell behind even with faster Festers in the upper levels.

    The only thing SMN will have at 64-70 is the Bahamut pet that you only get for 20 seconds every 3 minutes... it's nerfed damage for the other 3 minutes. I doubt its going to come out in the wash at all.
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Im glad that people who understand how Bahamut actually works are way more realistic than you'll ever be able to ^^'
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    Thats great and all,

    But so far the Summoner Nerfs are playing out exactly like I said predicted they would.
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    you are right: "so far" - lets see if one of us hits 70 ^^
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    If SMN falls too far behind no biggie they'll just buff it again. I'm just glad I like RDM enough. The biggest problem with going through SMN nerfs in the past was that I never had another caster that I liked. Now I can just go back and forth between SMN/RDM whenever one gets the nerf hammer too hard. I'll never leave it completely though as I played it since I started and I just love the lore of SMN.

    I've never been concerned over BLMs superior single target, I mean it rocked that title in 3.0 it's just that in heavy mechanics fights SMN often took the lead. It never mattered to me though, everyone has that one class they don't want to touch, and playing BLM is like watching paint dry for me. While the combo system/ dualcast with RDM almost makes you feel as mobile as a SMN. Love it!

    BLM should always be strongest in single target, otherwise it loses it's identity and the reason for playing one. If RDM and SMN had the same pontencies, well you'd probably rarely see a BLM around and everyone would take RDM/SMN in raids instead due to higher mobility. So BLM needs to keep it's identity. It needs high damage to justify a lot of it's other shortcomings like not being as mobile.

    Now if only I can actually stop getting booted from the game enough to level RDM and SMN. Times like this, I hate being on Balmung.
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    Last edited by Vallhallix; 06-18-2017 at 10:39 AM.

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