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  1. #141
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    Psycofang's Avatar
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    Void Fang
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Transpose wiping it is a glitch, ive sustained enoch with transpose for well into heavy pulls without it wiping.
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  2. #142
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    BlastHardcheese's Avatar
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    Green Flame
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    Omega
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Muchmidget View Post
    I think you don't get the "timer" part until level 70 when you actually get Foul. Enochian just stays active as long as you don't drop astral/umbral so no need to track it before 70, really.
    Ah, that explains a lot, I was about to question why I couldn't track it properly too.

    Thanks!
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  3. #143
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mimiki View Post
    Interesting... so the diminishing return of Enochian has had the former effect of "Each time Enochian is overwritten, duration is reduced by 5 seconds." removed, yet Transpose will wipe it. I find it super strange that detailed class changes weren't listed in patch notes. [Edit] I was just advised to go check out the official job guide posted today, so I'm gonna check that out for all the classes!
    I've been looking at that, but I suspect I'll only get to see the full deal once I get to a Training Dummy with it.
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  4. #144
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    Ashi Kuro
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 57
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyouki View Post
    BLM lost the ability to cure with physic, but got the ability to erase party members (not self). We got drain to cure ourselves, but that can only be done during a battle...

    Usage of transpose sometimes kills the enochain buff...

    Not happy with these changes...
    The loss of heals really bothers me. I hate playing classes/jobs/games where I can't self heal. Any suggestions on a ranged dps class that can actually self heal?
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  5. #145
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    Brown Sugar
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    Adamantoise
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    Monk Lv 62
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashikuro View Post
    The loss of heals really bothers me. I hate playing classes/jobs/games where I can't self heal. Any suggestions on a ranged dps class that can actually self heal?
    Probably the red mage.
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  6. #146
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    Silverquick's Avatar
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Yeah Enochian does work a little bit differently...

    Its still the same basic principle, do your Fire III, the hit Enochian, then hit Fire 4s with the Fire I on occasion to refresh your stacks quick, then Bliz 3, Bliz 4, then F3 back to F4s.

    I just didn't think you'd have to turn it on first, I had thought it was supposed to be always on.

    Still no timer for expiration anymore, just maintaining your stacks.
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  7. #147
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    Doctor Fumbles
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    Yeah Enochian does work a little bit differently...

    Its still the same basic principle, do your Fire III, the hit Enochian, then hit Fire 4s with the Fire I on occasion to refresh your stacks quick, then Bliz 3, Bliz 4, then F3 back to F4s.

    I just didn't think you'd have to turn it on first, I had thought it was supposed to be always on.

    Still no timer for expiration anymore, just maintaining your stacks.
    Actually, look at how Umbral hearts work, it is best to do bliz3, eno-chan, thunder 3, bliz 4, fire 3 (sharpcast seems to remove enochian atm it seems for me), fire 4 to use the umbral hearts up, fire 1 where you should have 3 seconds left. After that, I am not sure whether or not to continue doing fire 4s and fire 1 to keep Astril fire 3 up until you have no mana left. convert is obviously in there as well.
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    Last edited by Ferrasper; 06-17-2017 at 10:04 AM.

  8. #148
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    Lho Polaali
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    Moogle
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    Conjurer Lv 23
    Transpose wiping Enochian is likely because of latency, what with the servers being under as much pressure as they are. The best thing to do would be to not wait until the very last second to swap. Granted, that's still not a guarantee, but do what we can, right?

    Honestly, I kind of misunderstood how Enochian would work when we heard the news and I have to say I'm kind of disappointed with the actual implementation. For exactly such reasons as stated above, it's actually harder for me now to maintain it than before. Before, if Astral Fire dropped, I still had a window of opportunity to get into Umbral Ice and refresh Enochian. There were diminishing returns on the refresh timer, true, but Enochian staying up regardless of AF/UI actually made it a lot more forgiving, imo.
    Nothing a little practice won't solve, and because of the disconnections I've focused more on my crafting than my battle classes so it's still at level 60, but still.
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  9. #149
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrasper View Post
    Actually, look at how Umbral hearts work, it is best to do bliz3, eno-chan, thunder 3, bliz 4, fire 3 (sharpcast seems to remove enochian atm it seems for me), fire 4 to use the umbral hearts up, fire 1 where you should have 3 seconds left. After that, I am not not to continue doing fire 4s and fire 1 to keep Astril fire 3 up until you have no mana left. convert is obviously in there as well.
    I did try that, its surprisingly effective.
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  10. #150
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashikuro View Post
    The loss of heals really bothers me. I hate playing classes/jobs/games where I can't self heal. Any suggestions on a ranged dps class that can actually self heal?
    Drain is surprisingly effective, imo. Moreso than Physick ever was. In a desperate situation where I tried to keep myself alive with Physick, it would only delay the inevitable. Spamming Drain seems to be enough to actually get me back into safe territory, unless I'm just overwhelmed by several mobs (which Physick never would've helped with either).

    This limited experience is only from a mildly difficult FATE, though, may not be an accurate representation. But, personally, it feels better. Physick scales off of Mind anyway, doesn't it? It would be near useless. At least Drain is affected by our main stat.

    As for healing others, Erase does heal party members, at least. Mildly disappointing that I can't randomly drive-by heal some newbie struggling, but no big loss.
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