Launch Trailer Hype Thread

[Alleo]

Well, let's also not forget that canonically, Regula took on four adventurers himself, including the WoL. There is some precedent for a Garlean Legatus giving us trouble when fought head-on.

No canoncially we did everything on Azys Lla alone. So we took down Regula, two ascians plus their combined form and Thordan and his knights alone. (We were only traveling to the flying isle with our scion buddies and they split away from us before the dungeon. We simply cant have other people with us at that time since we are the first to arrive there thus nobody could even just teleport to us. And the lore book confirms it too.) Regula is later than also killed by Zurvan while we kill Zurvan too.

i honestly wouldn't mind if he really were that much stronger. It's only the second expansion. It's a bit early to be demigods. Who will be a credible threat in 9.0?

But really we have no idea how he beats us. Even the "I'm gonna let you live cause you are not strong enough" part is just speculation. And I sure hope it will end up being wrong.

Thats exactly the problem I have. SE already introduced so many godlike impossible looking enemies which we defeated (heck even if we had adventurers on our side in the new 24 man raid..defeating this version of Diabolos is one hell of a feat [I learned ]) so I just cant believe that there will be suddenly even stronger opponents especially if they are still mortal. I mean Thordan was the strongest primal till now and was fueled by the eyes (+Lahabrea), lots of prayers and even the Warring Triad and we defeated him alone. What kind of being will there be at 5.0? I wished that they had started the first expansion a bit slower. Instead of having such enemies they could have gone more about man versus dragon. Let us be saved by Hydaelyn against the Ascians instead of killing them off so easily. Let us defeat Nidhogg but only with the help of lots of people and dragons.

With that solution I would have understood that we are powerful but just still a normal mortal. Then with 4.x they could have given us enemies like Zenos that thrashes us. Overcoming him seems way more natural that way. Then with 5.0 we might destroy the first few Ascians on our own and maybe have some enemies like Diablos. And later we could have enemies like Thordan. This would have made the whole journey more realistically and still way more enjoyable and logical to me. Because you are 100% right, who are we going to defeat later? What power do they have to own to even make sense that we will not just mop the ground with them? Because right now after everything that we killed it just doesnt make sense that there is a mortal single person alive that will trash us. (Because this does not look like a stalemate)

Short version: They have made us too powerful too fast in the recent expansion thus any future expansion needs quite the enemies or strange reasons for us to loose against mortal people.

[Still good to read that there are others that find this point a little strange]

Now, what I noticed in the trailer is right at the very end, where is shows Zenos about to strike down Derplander in the rain (the scene where Urianger? recites the most recent New Year's poem), behind Zenos can be seen not what would be assumed to be Ala Mhigan structures as seen at Rhalgr's Reach.... but that weird magitek gate that protects Doma Castle.

Therefore, what if the story gives the player a choice of which path to take, which ultimately lead to the same conclusion? What if, early on in the expansion, the player is asked to either proceed to Rhalgr's Reach and assist the Resistance in retaking Ala Mhigo, or head eastwards across the ocean to Othard with Goesetsu and Yugiri? And that at some point during both scenarios, the insurrection against the Garleans fails horribly when Zenos shows up and makes sport of the player (for whatever reason), and then they proceed to the 'other' region to regroup and gain support?

I would find it nice to have a choice but I cant truly believe that we can either choose one or the other. From the view of the WoL why would we travel for months on a ship to go to Doma first when Ala Mhigo is right there in Eorzea? Also Eorzea is going to war with them so going to Doma first would mean that we leave them all behind from the very beginning. Also how would they do the story dungeons? I mean which level would it be, since it would be different depending on where you went first. Also why would Lyse go with us to Doma if she wants to free Ala Mhigo? No I think in the end this is one straight story line again. (I hope that this wont mean that we loose to Zenos twice >_>)

[LineageRazor]

No canoncially we did everything on Azys Lla alone. So we took down Regula, two ascians plus their combined form and Thordan and his knights alone. (We were only traveling to the flying isle with our scion buddies and they split away from us before the dungeon. We simply cant have other people with us at that time since we are the first to arrive there thus nobody could even just teleport to us. And the lore book confirms it too.) Regula is later than also killed by Zurvan while we kill Zurvan too.

Even assuming that we DID do all that without assistance from other champions - what makes you so certain that Zenos wouldn't be capable of the same? It's entirely possible that, had it been him in the Singularity Reactor instead of us (and assuming he had protection from tempering) he could well have laid Thordan low with a single blow rather than the drawn-out fight we had to go through.

Additionally, just because he's Regula's peer is not reason enough to assume that the two are equal in power. Even if they were, well, we don't actually know what Regula's power was like. Never have we fought the guy to the death - he always tactically retreated. Additionally, the only reason he died to Zurvan is that he took a blow for one of his allies that he never would have taken otherwise. Essentially, we don't KNOW what Regula's potential was, because we've never had a chance to see it.

While there ARE some pretty tired tropes being handed around here, SE still has lots of room to provide us with challenges in the future, both human and otherwise. It's still too soon to say, "One on one, we should be able to beat anyone, anytime!"

[Hinoto-no-Ryuji]

No canoncially we did everything on Azys Lla alone. So we took down Regula, two ascians plus their combined form and Thordan and his knights alone. (We were only traveling to the flying isle with our scion buddies and they split away from us before the dungeon. We simply cant have other people with us at that time since we are the first to arrive there thus nobody could even just teleport to us. And the lore book confirms it too.) Regula is later than also killed by Zurvan while we kill Zurvan too.

I'll concede the point, but whether we fought him as one or four, it doesn't really matter - the point is that we fought him, and didn't instantly strike him down. This means that Regula was a very skilled combatant - not skilled enough to end our opposition to his empire, sure, but skilled enough to go toe-to-toe with us and NOT perish. And that's the point: there obviously exist Garlean warriors who can do that, and whether Zenos is more skilled than Regula, more cunning, or both, it's not so unbelievable that he would engineer a scenario where we're in enough peril to retreat or even have our lives threatened.

(Also, Zurvan canonically required a party to take on, as per the Journal entry, so it's not like we singlehandedly bested him. That Regula managed to fight him at all was very impressive - seriously, when 4.0 goes live this week, try to solo Zurvan normal, and let me know how that goes).