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    We, the WOL slayer of primals, bahamut slayer, destroyer of time, alexander could not fight toe to toe with a mortal garlean who sat on his chair for the past few years.. okay.
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    If Krile pulls a "Someone else might have gotten it wrong" I may well cry.

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    • Wolf ... people? o.0
    Considering the various FF6 references, it would be interesting if one of them happened to be a master criminal, who is freed either by the WoL or by circumstance, and proceeds to steal all sorts of treasure before us. Finally, they will give us a dilemma of either recovering one of the stolen treasures, or saving a Moogle hostage.

    After the Churning Mists, I wonder how many people would leap straight for the treasure without a second thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmacus View Post
    We, the WOL slayer of primals, bahamut slayer, destroyer of time, alexander could not fight toe to toe with a mortal garlean who sat on his chair for the past few years.. okay.
    It'd make for a very boring story if the Warrior of Light could effortlessly destroy anyone who stood in his way. Besides, the only reason that the Warrior of Light succeeds in the first place is due to various means of plot convenience. Some of which can feel very contrived such as Cid miraculously swooping in to save them at exactly the right moment on multiple different occasions. Given that it's the player character, it's understandable why that happens - but there's a decent amount of people who prefer a more in-depth experience than the 'lol my WOL can kil any1 m8' some people seem to want. It could very well be that Zenos commands some hidden power that we do not know about.

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    Yotsuyu's voice isn't what I expected. Assuming the voice playing during her scenes is her, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmacus View Post
    We, the WOL slayer of primals, bahamut slayer, destroyer of time, alexander could not fight toe to toe with a mortal garlean who sat on his chair for the past few years.. okay.
    There are some implications throughout the story that when faced against a primal or similar threat that we seemed to be stronger then we normally are. My guess is that the Blessing of Light and the power it provides is really only effective against more aetherial threats. There's nothing to suggest that the power of light gives the Warrior of Light any real advantage against other mortals as far as I've been able to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draginhikari View Post
    There is some implications throughout the game that when faced against a primal or similar threat that we seemed to be stronger then we normally are. My guess is that the Blessing of Light and the power it provides is really only effective against more aetherial threats. There's nothing to suggest that the power of light gives the Warrior of Light any real advantage against other mortals as far as I've been able to tell.
    Aside from that one of the main reasons that we SPECIFICALLY are sent against primals is because we are both badass and can't be force into being a thrall to said primals. Other characters can be a match, or even possibly more powerful than us, but without the second part aren't good for primal killing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
    Aside from that one of the main reasons that we SPECIFICALLY are sent against primals is because we are both badass and can't be force into being a thrall to said primals. Other characters can be a match, or even possibly more powerful than us, but without the second part aren't good for primal killing.
    I'd have to look again, but I swore there were a few times where a strength difference was suggested but it could just be way I read into those lines. A few times in Heavensward there were lines which suggested our power was beyond reason but it usually was only in the presence of a primal, voidsent, or other external threat that wasn't mortal. Though I can understand there are different ways to read such a line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalmacus View Post
    We, the WOL slayer of primals, bahamut slayer, destroyer of time, alexander could not fight toe to toe with a mortal garlean who sat on his chair for the past few years.. okay.
    The Blessing of Light doesn't work against mortals. The WoL's effectiveness is greatly increased against 'divine' level enemies because of the blessing. However without it s/he is just a very skilled and competent fighter. Plus I suspect Zenos himself has a few power ups. Back when Stormblood was announced Yoshi P said we would learn his motivations and how to fight him. That suggest walking up and just punching him in the face might not be particularly effective.

    If you remember the Ultima fight, our attacks did almost nothing before the Blessing of Light kicked in, at which point we started ripping the machine apart. Likewise, we survived its ultimate because of the blessing. Even when we fought Ravana and Ifrit we had a Crystal of Light active. The Blessing of Light is our sword and shield against primals and the like but its not really much vs. mortals. Against mortals we have to rely on our base strength which, while formidable, isn't unbeatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
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    I might be remembering wrong but didn't we defeat Nabriales without the Blessing of Light? Midgardsormr had sealed it moments before, hadn't he?

    I don't mind the theory that our character has a tougher time with mortal enemies but we shouldn't be getting completely trounced by a single Legatus at this point, which the trailer seemed to imply. A stalemate or Zenos having a slight edge due to some unknown power we weren't prepared for, sure (which might be what happens considering the glow on his sword). I dislike power fantasies as much as the next person but going from hero to zero is just as undesirable without justification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted View Post
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    The Ascians aren't really that much stronger, they just have access to a "get outta death" card that we ultimately started being able to counter by the end of ARR. The Legatus are supposed to be the best of the best Garlean wise, so this one being an equal to us shouldn't be that much of a stretch. If anything if we just beat his butt every time not only would that totally kill suspense but would just have me asking why we don't just go ahead and invade Garlemald on our own if literally nothing they throw at us is ever a challenge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
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    I'm not really sure how strong Ascians are supposed to be but Nabriales had an ability that could control time, that should rank pretty highly. As for the Legatus, we've killed Nael twice, Gaius and the primal that killed Regula. Considering that, I just find it odd that Zenos seems to completely overwhelm us. He isn't even injured, tired or fazed. I'm fine with losing against enemies, we can't be Übermensch that do everything and I'm absolutely sure Zenos will have some sort of hidden power we can't counter, I'll just be disappointed if it's a one sided thrashing. But I'll wait to experience the actual story, we have no clue of the circumstances surrounding the fight after all.
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