Watching the Bahamut summon gave me an idea...

[Phileas]

I think the Bahamut summon in 4.0 gave me an idea for Summoner...

I think this will be a bit crazy but hear me out..

I think the Bahamut gauge should change according to the primal you want to summon and when it you build it up you expend it to summon one of three demi primals that will only do the enkindle attack before disappearing.

Focus Bahamut - Change summon bar to trance bar and build non-aspected aethertrail guage. When guage is full, ability changes to summon bahamut
Summon Bahamut - Summon Bahamut and he casts Casts Akh Morn on enemies for huge potency AoE damage and then disappears.


Focus Shiva - Change summon bar to ice trance bar and build ice aethertrail guage. When guage is full, ability changes to summon Shiva
Summon Shiva - Summons Shiva to battle where she performs Heavenly Strike which does heavy single target damage before she disappears.


Focus Ramuh - Change summon bar to lightning trance bar and buil lightning aethertrail guage. When guage is full, ability changes to summon Ramuh
Summon Ramuh - Summons Ramuh to battle and he performs Judgement bolt which does lower potency AoE damage and applies a stun to enemies.

I guess the idea behind this is the have the different summons have differing utility according to a situation.

Like for example if you know an add phase is coming in battle to build up gauge then unlock Ramuh to stun the mobs and save the tank some health or use Bahamut to burn them up quick.

Using Shiva in single target situations where you just want heavy damage.

You can also change focus in the middle of building up one of the three but you will incur a small penalty to what you've build in the gauge.

I think the idea stems from the FF series summoner and I feel would add a little more wow factor without destroying balance.

Anyway its just a thought ^^;;

[Vallhallix]

Unless they buff that aoe to ridiculous levels, that's a huge loss in dps compared to what we'd already get with Bahamut out spamming shockwave and 2 akh morns. This sounds like a great idea, IF SMN had more high potency abilities that didn't rely on stacks, then that loss could be made up. Besides, them coming out and just doing one attack, they'd have to rework the gauge, I don't think people would like using DWT twice only to build up to one aoe attack.

We should let go of previous Summoners from other appearances, FFXIV's version is a hybrid, a part time summoner, full time Invoker. They rewrote the very lore so that Summoner can invoke powers from primals. To be honest, knowing they can do that, there's not really even a need to summon anything now that I think about it since they can just teraflare and ahk morn by sipping primal spiritual milk.

Again nice idea, but it just sounds like the summons in the way you described them would just end up having the same problems as the egis do eg; one being used more than the others. Bahamut already does a high potency attack both single target and aoe, and can do it twice before going away. I don't see them taking away his ability, so in this scenario Shiva would become pointless.

I also think Bahamut works the way he does as a compromise to both sides of the summoner playerbase. The ones who wanted another egi with skills, and the ones who wanted a big flashy summon.

[Fantasy9]

I actually brought this up in "Novice" channel yesterday. But how I brought it up was different to a point. I suggested Bahumut would be summoned if you had garuda egi out, Shiva if you had ifrit egi out, and ramuh if you had titan egi out.

[waifugenerator]

I don't mind only summoning Bahamut, it gives Summoner a unique draconic identity and he's usually the only one you summon in most FF games anyways (except for xi)

[Neela]

+1 waifu

Bahamut is an iconic summon in the whole series putting him on pair with Shiva, Ramuh or any other normal summon just wont fit... if they ever implement new summons i hope they will chose between new egi-pets or the current trance (meaning the soulrelease hit like deathflare) but not the advanced Bahamut Trance system : /

[Dyvid]

I'm in agreement with Waifu and Neela here. Bahamut was a raid primal so in lines with that, trances should be raid primals too; Bahamut, Alexander, Shinryu.

Egi Glamour is a thing so SE might as well just stick with that. I will say that if SMN doesn't get Shiva, Leviathan, Ramuh Egi's soon I will be disappointed in the development team. It shouldn't take 3 years to develop three new egi skins, Ramuh is already in the game.... The hard part is SE current freeform design of this glamour system and needs to be more rigid. It's hard to develop a one size fits all and make it look good, meaning SE needs to make a choice on what role the new Egi will be; ranged, melee, or tank. This will no doubt upset some people but it's better than nothing. It's a lot easy to develop Ramuh Egi as a ranged pet with abilities designed for ranged rather trying to design him for Tank w/ Abilities, Melee w/ Abilities, and Range w/ Abilities.

[BillyKaplan]

Given Bahamut's role within this game specifically, their hands are tied when it comes to making any primal his equal. Shiva, Ramuh and Levi I see more as Glamours, like Dyvid said. But that makes me think, despite my initial statement - Bahamut glamours? Alexander is a given, being a raid boss. He also has an attack that visually could replace Akh Mourn. But personally I'm leaning more towards the Warring Triad. I'd be very happy to have them as regular glamours (Seph for Titan, Sophia for Garuda, Zurvan for Ifrit) but they were all ancient primals who were contained in the same way as Bahamut and were said to be capable of creating Calamities as well. So I wouldn't personally mind to see them as Bahamut glamours either, lore-wise.

[Vallhallix]

Ever getting new egis is highly doubtful, the entire reason DWT even exist is most likely due to the fact they didn't want us to have new egis, so they thought of a way around that. Doubt they'll go back on that now. All I want concerning egis is possibly a remodel, and an icon change from the carbuncle ones.

[BillyKaplan]

Ever getting new egis is highly doubtful, the entire reason DWT even exist is most likely due to the fact they didn't want us to have new egis, so they thought of a way around that. Doubt they'll go back on that now

The lore reason for the Trance was that we weren't strong enough to summon Egis of stronger primals. But now we get, albeit for a limited time and locked behind the Trance - a Bahamut summon. From a lore perspective, they lost any reason not to give us all other Primals in the game. Join this with the recently introduced Glamour system and they're really without reason to not give us new Glamours, at least. Not new Summon mechanics, no. But way I see it, there's nothing keeping them from, say, giving us a level 60 SMN quest that unlocks Shiva, Ramuh, and Levi glamours, and a 70 one that gives you the Warring Triad if you beat them - but I know that one is wishful thinking.

[Silverquick]

Well none of that really matters at all at this point.. .

The job still has to be viable and competitive with other Jobs... if its not... few will ever play it anyway.

That is the almighty bottom line.

You don't get through a hard instance with your "imagination"... for that you need a viable character. This isn't a single player game... other players will have to DPS with you. If you can't pull your own weight... then no amount of "flashiness" will matter.