Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Elim]

I'm looking up your records, and curiously enough, you don't seem to have any.

You don't really have a leg to stand on with the superiority argument. Not only do you have to tell people that you're supposedly superior, you don't have anything to show for it.

Well what do you consider superior? Is it world first boss kills, raid clears, highest DPS or simply being above the basic player? If you think boss clears makes me "superior" I can link to videos of my clears since 2.0. But my original comment was about DPSing healers vs non DPSing healers. I DPS so I consider myself superior to non DPSing healers.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

Yep. Healer DPS is optional. Kicking a lazy healer out of a raid group is also optional.

This issue is silly to me. In Expert Roulette, who cares? In a raid group, you'd kick ANY lazy/useless player, so how is this any different?

[Welsper59]

Except that kicking them out of a DF party is an option, so DF is still a fine choice.

Indeed. I'm not saying it's not an option. I'm pointing out your delusion that you think you can use marginal variables of time and random causes that will alter how long you spend on something. A weak (and delusional) argument. Add to it your apparent lack of understanding of accountability, as per your previous suggestion that I should intentionally subject myself to wasting my time watching a video that I may not care to watch.

Again, subjecting yourself to uncontrollable variables will always prove time is not a good argument simply due to self accountability. If I decided to watch that video for an hour or more, then noticed I'm late for work, is it my fault or yours that I'm late? According to what it seems like you're trying to imply, I should remove all notion of responsibility on my end because you'd be at fault.

[Kosmos992k]

I'm looking up your records, and curiously enough, you don't seem to have any.

You don't really have a leg to stand on with the superiority argument. Not only do you have to tell people that you're supposedly superior, you don't have anything to show for it.

(EDIT: Although looking even deeper, it appears you're probably a PS4 player, which would explain the apparent lack of records despite your gear indicating you'e cleared A12S. Congratulations, I suppose. Although it only shows that we're on even footing.)

Even for PS4 players, the information on the Lodestone concerning achievements should be correct. 3rd party logs will depend on who they run with.

[SaitoHikari]

Well what do you consider superior? Is it world first boss kills, raid clears, highest DPS or simply being above the basic player? If you think boss clears makes me "superior" I can link to videos of my clears since 2.0. But my original comment was about DPSing healers vs non DPSing healers. I DPS so I consider myself superior to non DPSing healers.

Yeah, looking even deeper, it would appear that your apparent lack of records seems to indicate that you're a PS4 player more than anything else, judging from the fact that you DO have a A12S weapon. So that at least makes us on even footing, except I raid as a Bard.

Even so, while I am agreeing with the notion that DPSing Healers simply have straight up superior skill to those that absolutely refuse to do so at all costs (and that the notion of the latter is honestly insulting because it straight up means that they're putting effort into being as mediocre as possible), it's not much of a reason to be an asshole on the forums about it. Be a bit more subtle, at least.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

You're still getting kicked if you don't DPS.

I wouldn't kick anyone, but if I was a tank, and I saw a healer not Dpsing at all, I would make ample use of DPS stance and make sure I pull much more.
Because if you're just going to spam heals at me, the least you can do is keep me alive through higher damage.

[AlphaSonic]

If you think Yoshida "balances" anything himself, you have absolutely no idea of how game development works.

Obviously not, but as we can see, he lacks understanding of how healers work in this game. If not why would he say such a stupid statement when basically WHM works around having big heals to be able to DPS for the lacking of supporting abilities. Or that's the theory at least. You can't tell people that they don't need to DPS at all when you have a healing class that basically stands around doing nothing because he doesn't have anything else except heals.
And BTW, it's not my job to understand how development of games works, but it's his job to understand how his own game works.

[TheSky]

Sounds more like harassment

You are allowed to kick for gameplay differences. if majority of the party disagrees with how someone plays be it bad or good then they have every right to kick said person to hopefully find a replacement that more suitably fits their party.

[Mature]

People like you use the word "optionnal" as an excuse to be lazy. To be carried.

To be carried? If that's the case do your raid without a healer and tell us how it went.....

Like I said people seem having to be having a hard time understanding what a healer role means.

I'm just gonna leave this here:


A healer is a type of character class in video gaming. When a game includes a health game mechanic and multiple classes, often one of the classes will be designed around the restoration of allies' health, known as healing, in order to delay or prevent their defeat. Such a class can be referred to as a healer.

You are allowed to kick for gameplay differences. if majority of the party disagrees with how someone plays be it bad or good then they have every right to kick said person to hopefully find a replacement that more suitably fits their party.

What a thing to say..." I'll kick the healer cause is not dpsing because that's what we want you to do". It's like me saying I'll the tank because his is not DPS geared enough to carry us...

I don't even know where are all these people coming from or are they actually playing

[Noata]

You are allowed to kick for gameplay differences. if majority of the party disagrees with how someone plays be it bad or good then they have every right to kick said person to hopefully find a replacement that more suitably fits their party.

Being allowed to call it gameplay differences, doesn't make it not harassment. If upon review you find they were doing nothing wrong and you decided to kick them because you wanted them to do everything your way... well your not on the winning side. Historically, many of the things we view as wrong were widely practiced, as in generally considered *acceptable* I guess it depends on how mature you think players should be.

It is more like that cartoon typical bully. Do things my way or your out... I don't even know the people who are making these comments but.. besides being childish, not people I would want to hang with...