Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Fyce]

To be carried? If that's the case do your raid without a healer and tell us how it went.....

The fact that a lot of healers are able to DPS in any kind of content completly defeats your point.
If they can, even moderatly, do some damage, so can you. Or maybe you're just really bad... it just might be that.

Like I said people seem having to be having a hard time understanding what a healer role means.

I'm just gonna leave this here:

A healer is a type of character class in video gaming. When a game includes a health game mechanic and multiple classes, often one of the classes will be designed around the restoration of allies' health, known as healing, in order to delay or prevent their defeat. Such a class can be referred to as a healer.

And you have a hard time understanding that having a number one priority (healing) doesn't mean that you don't have any other (dpsing).

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I'm just gonna leave this here:


A healer is a type of character class in video gaming. When a game includes a health game mechanic and multiple classes, often one of the classes will be designed around the restoration of allies' health, known as healing, in order to delay or prevent their defeat. Such a class can be referred to as a healer.

If we're going to pull from classic video games, I'll cite Aerith and Yuna, both of her were able to learn offensive spells you utilized far more frequently because random encounters were never overly threatening. In fact, Yuna had a higher magic stat than Lulu if you took both through their respective grids, thus she were the better of the two offensively. Both also allotted for ample customization and could become power houses. Come to think of it, how many single player games did you have the "healer" only heal throughout the entire play through?

[AlphaSonic]

If we're going to pull from classic video games, I'll cite Aerith and Yuna, both of her were able to learn offensive spells you utilized far more frequently because random encounters were never overly threatening. In fact, Yuna had a higher magic stat than Lulu if you took both through their respective grids, thus she were the better of the two offensively. Both also allotted for ample customization and could become power houses. Come to think of it, how many single player games did you have the "healer" only heal throughout the entire play through?

In most Final Fantasy games the healer always had DPSing abilities, because the same way as in this game, YOU DON'T NEED TO HEAL ALL THE TIME!

[Selova]

Its not ok if I decide NOT to dps as a healer? do I deserve a kick? tell me please =) base your answer on Yoshi statement, not on your pseudo elitist behavior.

I've already laid out where I stand on the issue. I don't look it from the perspective of your class role, if you are not doing everything you can to assist the group you are in you will most likely be replaced with another healer that can. People have this narrow minded view on the tank/dps/healer trinity in mmos, having this mindset won't get you very far in this game. You'll either adapt and contribute to your group/raid or you will be replaced by someone that is able to do what you cant. This isn't that hard to understand.

[Kuo]

From what I hear this not as much of a big deal on JP servers

[Noata]

From what I hear this not as much of a big deal on JP servers

I don' tthink it is a big deal at all, Some people hate seeing others having an easy time and such, but when I do a dungeon, I worry about number 1, make sure I do my rotations, be it DPS or tanking, and do the mechanics of the fight, if tank... I hope I remember the map so I don't needlessly lead the party down a dead end corridor.

[TheSky]

I would take anything said by the guy who and I quote "you all need to calm down. It is very rare. You need to go to diadem. Win the weapon, it's like a jackpot. You all need to calm down." and "I believe anima weapons are stronger" with a grain of salt.

[Hakuro89]

What bothers me most about it isn't that Yoshi-P said it, it's that this came from Mr.Happy. And for some reason or another, there's a massive amount of players that seem to take whatever he says as the word of God.
Meaning now there's probably going to be a tidal wave of mediocre healers that refuse to DPS, 'because Mr.Happy said so'.

[JunseiKei]

What bothers me most about it isn't that Yoshi-P said it, it's that this came from Mr.Happy. And for some reason or another, there's a massive amount of players that seem to take whatever he says as the word of God.
Meaning now there's probably going to be a tidal wave of mediocre healers that refuse to DPS, 'because Mr.Happy said so'.

Just to add in my two pennies here, it's not the first, nor will it be the last, time Yoshida has said that healer DPS has always been optional. Unfortunately, Yoshida has yet to realize that talking to English speaking players is effective the same as talking to a brick wall.

[KisaiTenshi]

This sounds like a group project in highschool.
There's 4 students, one jumps up and says, "I wanna be the ideas person!!" The rest of the group sort of sighs and says ok.
The project starts, the ideas person does in fact come up with ideas, awesome. Work on the project starts, the ideas person is now on their phone. When asked why they aren't helping. "I come up with ideas! You guys do the rest! I only wanted to do ideas! Don't tell me what to do!!"

"Just healing" doesn't require full-time attention/effort in equivalence to tanking or dpsing properly. You have a right to be lazy, sure. Others have a right to call you out on it and potentially kick you if they want.

I personally don't even care in roulettes, but I'll continue to DPS as a healer myself, because I try to be considerate of others.

That's a terrible analogy. If anything it's backwards. One person does everything, and the rest of the group just sits there on their phones because the "leader" thinks they are too incompetent to help, and they take no interest in the project. Thus the leader carries everyone. Next time a school project comes up, everyone wants that leader to carry them. Speaking from experience here as that person carrying the deadweight, in such projects I'd ask the teacher to just let me do the project myself because "the other people you partnered me with express no interest in this project, let alone this class"

The right analogy is the cooking class, where you are assigned groups and you can not do the entire project yourself within the time limit. In high school one person was assigned to wash and dry dishes as they are used so that they could get out of the class earlier. Because I got the equivilent of the "bad PUG" table every time where they would rarely even show up to class, I got to do most assignments solo. Once in a while I got dropped into someone elses group because one of their group was legitimately sick, and thus assigned to wash and dry dishes because that's the only role they felt expendable from their team synergy. You know, the one that controls how if they leave class in time.

If I've established a pattern of anything, is that I'm skeptical about the competence of people I'm in a group with until they prove otherwise. Hence in FFXIV, I stick to healing until I see competence, and most PUG's are somewhere between "passable" and "good", while raiders are usually the most incompetent. The most incompetent group I've had so far was a group of three from a raider guild on another server, who ignored the mechanics of everything.

CureI CureII: {Hello!}
Pure Healer: Salut !
Healer Onlyheals: Hi
Youdont Paymysub: o/
...
Pure Healer: lol que des heals
Healer Onlyheals: What?
Youdont Paymysub: 4 healers, great... thanks Yoshi-P
CureI CureII: So, how are we supposed to do this?
Healer Onlyheals: What do you mean?
CureI CureII: Well, we have to kill stuff to progress, right?
Youdont Paymysub: no lol
Youdont Paymysub: that's not my role
Youdont Paymysub: im a healer dude
Youdont Paymysub: dps is for dps
Pure Healer: y a des français ?
Healer Onlyheals: Same for me, I don't even have DPS skills on my bars
Healer Onlyheals: But I can draw cards, can that helps?
CureI CureII: I don't think so...
Pure Healer: oups g marché sur un piège qui fait spawn des mobs lol
Healer Onlyheals: What is that baguette saying?
CureI CureII: he walked on a trap that spawns mobs I think
Youdont Paymysub: ill start healing him
Youdont Paymysub: ...
Youdont Paymysub: oh god i have aggro
Healer Onlyheals: Don't worry, I'm here, I'm gonna heal you!
CureI CureII: And I'm gonna heal you too! It's my job after all, none of you will die today!

... Later ...
... Way later ...
... On the same floor ...

...
00:07
00:06
00:05
Youdont Paymysub: atleast nobody died
00:04
00:03
00:02
CureI CureII: Yeah, good job us
00:01
Healer Onlyheals: We did what our role was about, this game is badly designed
00:00
Pure Healer: personne est français lol ?

That's funny but terribly out of character. The same thing would happen if they were all raider healers, they would all put up regen and medica II and then fail the duty when they never switch out of CS.

Ahaha

Still prattling on with this nonsense, I see. How many people have to tell you healers have ample downtime before it sinks in? I have literally had 80-90% Cleric up time. Considering you have not even unlocked HW content, perhaps it's best you don't try and project an opinion you have no right backing?

And this is where your lack of healer knowledge shows. Stoneskin is practically worthless. You only bother with Stoneskin II because it's essentially free pre-pull, otherwise you'll mostly only touch Stoneskin if someone dies. You certainly aren't "cheesing" dungeons with it. You know how I "cheese" dungeons? By going Noct and placing what will soon by a 300% shield on the tank.

Do you still not know what sarcasm is? That entire second paragraph denoted by ~, the one you took as serious. Raiders have repeatedly said they use stone skin when they know a tankbuster is coming up, so please, keep trolling.

What bothers me most about it isn't that Yoshi-P said it, it's that this came from Mr.Happy. And for some reason or another, there's a massive amount of players that seem to take whatever he says as the word of God.
Meaning now there's probably going to be a tidal wave of mediocre healers that refuse to DPS, 'because Mr.Happy said so'.

Now it will be "Because Yoshi-P said so because Mr.Happy Asked", do you all see the problem with walkthroughs, guides and video tutorials? Mr.Happy likely has to redo all his videos for all the 2.0, 3.0 and now 4.0 content because of these changes, because all the skill changes makes most of these videos advice no longer viable. Sure you may still know what the mechanics are, but more than one person in this thread I'm sure is in the "omg, a newbie, did you watch a video, otherwise I'm going to kick" camp because that seems to be the mantra of raiders "be perfect or get lost"