Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Keikun]

This argument is getting tiresome. It's less about whether healer dps is optional or not and more about are you, the player doing everything you possibly can to contribute to the group. The only possible way for them to design this game to where there is zero expectation for healers to dps is to make it so damage done by trash and bosses is more heavy and consistent so that healers won't have time to dps. As long as the game continues with the design of how damage is currently taken, people will be expecting you to contribute outside of healing.

Its not ok if I decide NOT to dps as a healer? do I deserve a kick? tell me please =) base your answer on Yoshi statement, not on your pseudo elitist behavior.

[SaitoHikari]

Its not ok if I decide NOT to dps as a healer? do I deserve a kick? tell me please =) base your answer on Yoshi statement, not on your pseudo elitist behavior.

You are literally trying to argue that not trying to contribute everything you can for the sake of the group effort, and people calling you out due to your preference to not do so, is elitist.

You won't get very far in the real world.

[Nestama]

Its not ok if I decide NOT to dps as a healer? do I deserve a kick? tell me please =) base your answer on Yoshi statement, not on your pseudo elitist behavior.

If the tank and/or party is in no danger of dying, why not DPS for a bit? Three well timed Holy's will actually give you and the tank a break for a bit during pulls.
Question: do you DPS during the beam struggle phase in Dun Scaith?

[Anzaman]

Question: do you DPS during the beam struggle phase in Dun Scaith?

Of course not, I activate /icam or /gpose and try to get nice screenshots.

[Ralts]

I said it was optional, however, kicking a healer for not healing isn\\\\\\\\'t idiotic. There are other people other than the healer. If they find that having a healer who doesn\\\\\\\\'t DPS isn\\\\\\\\'t enjoyable for them and that they would rather try to get a new healer, they have the right to do so as the play style of the group doesn\\\\\\\\'t match the play style of the healer.
Healer DPS Camp:
+ Gets the ability to kick healers who only heal and not DPS.
- Must accept that it is not mandatory for healers to DPS and thus their vote kicks may not always go through ...

Booting them out is actually a great thing to do rather than argue with these lazy leechers in these forums. It\\\\\\\\'s a great way of telling them that their lazy playstyle needs tweaking. Some effort from the healer\\\\\\\\'s side is recommend and makes dungeon runs fair for the other 3, as been said hundred of times.

[Zplinter]

(opinion)
As a tank I will never vote to remove a healer that keeps me alive. If a healer that has not let me die is removed, I will consider leaving the run. I will in fact vote to remove any healer that consistently "lets" party members die for any reason. I will give my commendation to a healer that is going above and beyond the minimum requirement of keeping people alive, if all they do is heal and someone else is using all of their toolkit then they will get my commendation.
(/opinion)

[Fyce]

(opinion)
As a tank I will never vote to remove a healer that keeps me alive. If a healer that has not let me die is removed, I will consider leaving the run. I will in fact vote to remove any healer that consistently "lets" party members die for any reason. I will give my commendation to a healer that is going above and beyond the minimum requirement of keeping people alive, if all they do is heal and someone else is using all of their toolkit then they will get my commendation.
(/opinion)

(opinion)
A player who's only active for 20% of a dungeon should never get a commandation. That player isn't even trying.
Opening the commandation menu, clicking on that player's name, and then clicking okay takes more efforts that the total efforts this player put in the whole dungeon.
(/opinion)

I guess some people are softer when it comes to carrying others. Kudos to you, I can't stand that. Not only they wouldn't get a commandation, but I'd initiate a votekick too after asking "Hey, can you do something?" and they answer "No".

In all honesty, would you really consider playing this game "work"?

Oh come on, you know what I meant.

[NolLacnala]

The most recent time I went into Dun Scaith, I was AST. My co-healer WHM would throw up a Medica2, sheath his staff, and stand there with his arms crossed. These are the kind of players you are excusing. Why bother logging in at all if you aren't going to play?

[Aramina]

Why for the love of all that is holy does it have to be either "never dps" or "always dps" when the correct answer (as I am convinced everyone actually knows) is "Heal when you have to, do something else productive when you don't".

Scenario A: Tanks/DPS are not taking much damage. I stand there doing nothing.
Result A: I am a bad teammate.

Scenario B: Tanks/DPS are taking a good bit of damage. I stand there casting broil.
Result B: I am a bad teammate.

Scenario C: Tanks/DPS are not taking much damage. I put up my dots and use broil for a filler.
Result C: I am a good teammate.

Scenario D: Tanks/DPS are taking a good bit of damage. I heal them all up.
Result D: I am a good teammate.

Also, to people claiming it is only bad dps that say healers should dps.

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Second account: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/15185361/

So no, it is not only bad dps that think this way... it is also people with a good bit of experience as healers.

[Noata]

This argument is stupid. Healers don't need to DPS. Yoshi-p even tells us the game does not factor in Healer DPS to clear content. If you want to help the teams damage between casts good for you. Is it needed... well no, and it certainly shouldn't be demanded by someone or expected. I mean they removed cleric stance... you know the thing healers were switching to in a dungeon to do damage only to be unable to heal effectively and someone may or may not die as a result.

They even made healers special and put ALL their potential damage tied to their main stat. Yay they can now easily balance your damage and make it possible to solo story content while keeping you Exactly where they want you for group content. To make things even more fun they created fun mechancis that require you to spend most of your time healing to be able to utilize them... Ya... that director TOTALLY isn't letting you know early on that you MIGHT want to heal.

I get it, you want to say... with down time they should contribute, but its circumstantial and entirely their choice. DPS don't have to ignore their positionals and stand in AoE's for regular content, but they do. Just like for the content healers don't have to DPS, How desperate are we for DPS that our tanks and healers need to go in just to make our clear viable... I main a DPS and though I don't have as much experience as others at raiding, I can definitely clear a dungeon, and the DPS a healer does for the TOTAL dungeon might save us... what... 4 minutes optimally?(Everyone Overgeared and just perfect synergy) maybe more if the dungeon is mostly trash and you can spam AoEs.

Stop worrying about other people, if they succeed in their primary role, be it tank, DPS, or Healing then the dungeons should be smooth, if you need to milk every ounce of DPS possible... you should get gear... not yell at the guy healing you while you stand in AoE's or rezzing you when you fail a mechanic. Plenty of healers love to fill their time with hitting the enemy, but understand making sure you can is their primary job. Everything else is optional extra and many love to help out, but don't expect EVERYONE to do that.