Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Crysten]

The only real way to "fix" this whole "Healers SHOULD DPS" is to disable their damaging spells/abilities while they are in a dungeon/raid. Which would make them 100% healer's. The only reason for healers dps would be for open world and solo content. This will never happen of course, disabling of abilities/spells, so the mindset of "Healers WILL DPS or Vote Kick" will remain. Sadly. That is and will always be the way of the community.

/slap

No. You fix it by readjusting content so healing takes a more predominant role but the option to DPS is still there for skilled players that wish to.

You don't force a playstyle onto the community one way or the other.

People are not asking for healers to DPS or kick. We're asking for the lazy bastards among you to be given ways to contribute when the amount of healing required in everyday dungeons is already slim to nil.

[Baalfrog]

D:

Because standing around doing nothing is so much fun eh?

Well, this changes nothing for me, if the healer doesn't even try to DPS during low or 0 damage phases, I will kick you from the party.

[YanDere]

The only real way to "fix" this whole "Healers SHOULD DPS" is to disable their damaging spells/abilities while they are in a dungeon/raid. Which would make them 100% healer's. The only reason for healers dps would be for open world and solo content. This will never happen of course, disabling of abilities/spells, so the mindset of "Healers WILL DPS or Vote Kick" will remain. Sadly. That is and will always be the way of the community.

That would hurt the game in a way you don't seem to understand.
This game is based on mechanic damage which means you can always expect when and where damage will occur if people know how to play. This leaves you with insane amounts of downtime between tank/raid damage instances.
The reason why dps is only imperative in raids is not tied to the difficulty of said content, it's just because in a casual environment you can't expect people to play optimally so it's likely that you will encounter unexpected raid damage every once in a while.
With that said, even in casual content you have so much time in your hands that only healing means you're doing half of the job compared to anybody else. People should stop thinking about healing/tanking/dpsing as their job, and start thinking about how much time they actually spend doing things to the team. A tank and a dps will always be doing their rotations and using their cooldowns to optimize the run, while a healer can just throw a heal every 10s if not more and stop there for healing. That is why not dpsing as a healer is disrespectful to anyone spending their time doing something.

[Draxxion]

I agree with this mostly, but it does read like doing dps is the only way to contribute to a group, when tanking, healing and support are actual functions that also contribute.

That said, I agree with the theory of why would you want to just stand around doing nothing when those down periods occur? Like someone else said in another thread on this, rule 1 is that there is always a button you can press that could help out somehow.

That was more what I was getting at. If it is a confidence issue of the healer they need to also speak up. I can't read minds and more then happy to assist where I can. That I think is the issue here. It is communication. The lack there of and those who do going on about it not being their job all defensively. We dps can be arrogant, but as team we can't succeed without communicating.

[Feidam]

Many, many, many healers will let dps die in favor of doing more damage, just from a cursory glance through these forums. So long as I don't let the tank die, I consider my job complete. That's what oGCD's are for no?



I wouldn't mind. That's just more reason for me to only dps.

If you are indeed letting dps die in favor of dpsing yourself that is a crap move. Unless said dps is never moving out of crap then they deserve to die.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

If you are indeed letting dps die in favor of dpsing yourself that is a crap move. Unless said dps is never moving out of crap then they deserve to die.

Nope, they never do. I don't have infinite resources, so dps that eat every AoE are going to stay dead fairly quickly. I pretty much never bother raising anyone with BoD, there's other venues I could be putting my finite resources to instead.

[Arkdra]

I know exactly what she said,but I also know she was trolling you because of your antagonist way of responding to folks. i've seen her other replies. When you result to name calling that's what you get. however, if you look at my post it was regarding that healer dps is not needed in a dungeon. i wasn't defending her/him. if I felt she actually did that i would say something. However based on other post i've seen them make i believe this isn't the actual behavior.

Not being NEEDED is immaterial. Dps don't NEED to be running optimal rotations and tanks don't NEED to be stance dancing. But tanks SHOULD stance dance and dps SHOULD know their rotations and know when to AE versus when to single target and healers SHOULD dps. Failure to do any of the above means you're half-assing it and you are wasting 3 other people's time as well as your own.

[Chronons]

*shrugs*

Whatever. The reality is that healers that dont contribute to dps will always lose their slot to ones who can, given the option. If a qoute from Yoshi P makes you feel better about playing the jobs at a lower level of competency then huzzah I guess.

That being said, enjoy getting kicked when you stand around while the rest of your party are giving it their all. At least when you set to follow, afk to netflix and fairy heal a dungeon you can take comfort in that Yoshi P says its okay.

[Niroken]

It really doesn't matter what Yoshi-P says because it's ultimately up to the community and what the community expects. I would encourage people to make parties looking for healer DPS so that you aren't at the mercy of DF, plus it might encourage some much needed social interaction in this game.

[QooEr]

the weird thing is that yoship says he meant healers to heal but then the content we get are dungeons that i can run with 100% cleric stance uptime on scholar and raids like a10s where you cast aspected helios like 2 or 3 times and a couple of asp benes and thats all you heal in the entire run