Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Evergrey]

As long as I do enough damage to complete dungeon within time limit, I have done my job.

"Speedrunning" is optional.

What about doing it at a normal pace then?
Does everything have to be either "Super Lazy" or "Speedrun freaks"?

[Dualgunner]

I never expect them to be used. Setting the bar of expectations on DF DPS really low on this. Always a bonus if they get used in a smart way though.

Fair enough I suppose, especially when it's basically bannable to criticize and help df dps improve to the point healer dps isn't needed.

[Dualgunner]

Food for thought, maybe if we, as a collective, raised our standards just a *tiny* bit then we wouldn't need threads like this.

Can't spell "standards" without "elitist scum"

Oh wait...

[Dualgunner]

What about doing it at a normal pace then?
Does everything have to be either "Super Lazy" or "Speedrun freaks"?

What about doing dps when there's no healing to be done? Does everything have to be either "Healers only heal" or "cleric stance 24/7 world first tier dps"?

[Leigaon]

What about doing dps when there's no healing to be done? Does everything have to be either "Healers only heal" or "cleric stance 24/7 world first tier dps"?

It doesn't, just the majority takes on side or the other. The game isn't intended to include healers damage deal but it is designed for it during certain points. This means that dungeon (A) doesn't require a mage to heal, but that doesn't mean there aren't opportunities for it.

For every side chosen there's a story to either go against it or for it. The middle is where I sit on most situations because both sides have their points and both sides have their pile of crap that they spew everywhere.

The topic keeps coming up but it is only because they don't agree fully is why this will never be resolved.

One thing I noticed in 4.0 is that each job now has more to do than just their role, they have the option to help. We are going to see a lot more of this spread through other jobs and the result is going to be the same. We have the ability to perform duties in a certain order. Damage dealing isn't required but it is on our "To-do" list, as long as our requirements are met. Now these requirements scale with each person and their pecking order changes.

Then again, I think content (most content at least) doesn't require much healing 100% of the time. This is why some go "why don't you do some damage?"

To put this in a real world situation I am not intended to work remotely, but I can and when the situation comes up I'm able to VPN from home rather than ride in the snow and ice. It's an option, and conditions are met I will do it...or I can choose to not do it and call it weather leave.

[Evergrey]

What about doing dps when there's no healing to be done? Does everything have to be either "Healers only heal" or "cleric stance 24/7 world first tier dps"?

Not everyone play games to perform 150% at everything.
Alot of people play games to relax and just have a good time.
Some people like to perform 150% and try to improve their gameplay while others don't.
No one can expect that everyone should do everything just because they can.
We are all humans and we are all different.

Since the game is built that Healers don't have to DPS doesn't mean they never should.
But that doesn't mean people are right to force them to do so either.
If you feel unjustified because a class or two doesn't have to do as much work as you do, switch to the same class and be lazy aswell.

But if the fact that other people doesn't play like you see fit bothers you, find other likeminded people and form a premade group.
That was you don't have to see the lazy randoms anymore.

[Mature]

After reading thru this thread the only conclusion I can draw is that the way healers are treated by this community is disgusting.

The good thing is the most of the healers just ignore these moronic nonsense coming from members telling a healer what they should be doing and what should not.

Then again this is coming from very average players that seemed to struggle to understand their own "mains". Just look at their characters to gain more knowledge on how this people are totally CLUELESS as to what they are contributing to this topic.

People need to focus on what role they have chosen. If you are a Drg , learn your rotations maximise your damage . If you are a WAR make sure you know how to keep enmity and learnt to use your CDs. If you are a WHM learn to control your mana and make sure everyone is full healed. Such a simple logic but some are truly thick to not understand basics.

[Watachy]

The good thing is the most of the healers just ignore these moronic nonsense coming from members telling a healer what they should be doing and what should not.

WTF are you still doing here, all of your words are completely stupid, people asked to get out of this thread with your ideas.
Ignore your party members feel free to queue another time cause vote kick on healers gonna be a real thing with SB, no more excuses to not DPS since they removed the stance dance

[Mature]

WTF are you still doing here, all of your words are completely stupid, people asked to get out of this thread with your ideas.
Ignore your party members feel free to queue another time cause vote kick on healers gonna be a real thing with SB, no more excuses to not DPS since they removed the stance dance

If you don't have anything else to contribute to this thread regarding the matter you've been told to keep quiet and move on. Keep on topic thanks

Funny how you go on and on about healers being lazy but looking at your character it seems to me that you not putting much effort into learning or understanding classes. Don't even know what you are doing here. I don't think you have much of a right calling others lazy... The irony..

[Dualgunner]

To expand upon this, if they did have heal spells and there was nothing to damage at a time where there was damage to heal... you can bet your sweet behind I would expect them to use those skills to help out.

To further expand one of the big reasons to take a SMN into raid content is so they can eat a rez and conserve healer MP, and RDM may face a similar scene.