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  1. #1071
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    There will always be a segment of people who feel they can dictate how others play.
    Well, nobody can dictate how others play - they can however remove them from their groups.

    Nobody can prevent you from clearing Savage Raids in a class instead of a job. You just might have to find a group that accepts that playstyle and randoms might not be willing to. The same goes if you would like to play a pure ice mage, a non-DPSing healer, a pure song bard or whatever else you might want your playstyle to be. You can make it your playstyle to eat as many AoEs as you can even. And that goes for all content alike.

    But people might not want you in their group if that's your playstyle. And that's all there is to that debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaidal View Post
    In raids, yeah. That's what I meant by hard fights.
    Yoshida: By now, I think a feeling has developed that healers have to participate in DPSing in instanced dungeons. Even if it's just a silent pressure, it is there. Because of that feeling, there were some players who may have felt anxious about joining as a healer. For someone like me who isn't focused about clear time, I'm fine as long as we can clear it. And I'll try to take things more slowly if I see someone who might be new. However, it's been getting more and more difficult for healers, which I'm sorry about. On my personal account, I play all the roles, and I like to have the feeling that I can play through instanced dungeons on my favorite role.

    Since things are more serious in raiding, on the other hand, you'll definitely want to DPS for the first clear. As item levels go up and you're after repeat clears, the roles may shift. (laughs)

    F: I see.

    Yoshida: That said, sometimes when I'm participating in instanced dungeons, I'll queue as tank or healer because the matchmaking is so fast, but in the case of healer, although attacking itself isn't hard, I feel that the stance switching narrows the field of players who are interested in healing. When looking at the data, even though many players have healers at the appropriate job level, they won't be participating as healer. When considering the reasons for this, it seems that there are two main ones - it's too much work, and being asked to DPS.

    F: There are many who feel that way.

    Yoshida: So we decided to calculate healers' attack magic potency based on MND. Since you no longer need Cleric Stance, you can Holy whenever you feel like it. After stunning the enemies with Swiftcast Holy, you can then catch up with heals. With this increased level of comfort, the number of people participating in instanced dungeons as healer will definitely go up.

    F: It certainly looks like that.
    Theres the specific dungeon opinion. Cleric stance was changed to make DPS more accessible to more casual players. Ultimately Yoshi Ps goal is to get more players healing in casual content, and the way to do that is to make it easy for them. He never says that not DPSing is the correct way to play, he instead says that as a player he would never see it as a requirement, which especially resonates with how different the Japanese structure of play is to the west.

    The cleric stance changes are there to get players to DPS easily, and to relieve the pressure that DPSing brings. We should remove the idea that DPSing is separate from healing now that cleric and stance based gameplay is gone and instead ask ourselves "what is the skill that is best to use next?" sometimes it will be regen, sometimes it will be stone, the last quote he uses shows that Yoshida feels the same way.
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 06-09-2017 at 03:33 AM.

  3. #1073
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    Did we have a conversation now?
    You can't have a conversation with a wall, you silly.
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  4. #1074
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Well, nobody can dictate how others play - they can however remove them from their groups.

    Nobody can prevent you from clearing Savage Raids in a class instead of a job. You just might have to find a group that accepts that playstyle and randoms might not be willing to. The same goes if you would like to play a pure ice mage, a non-DPSing healer, a pure song bard or whatever else you might want your playstyle to be. You can make it your playstyle to eat as many AoEs as you can even. And that goes for all content alike.

    But people might not want you in their group if that's your playstyle. And that's all there is to that debate.
    I agree with what you are saying. Every time I see these threads however I find it ridiculous how people would kick other players in non-raid content for these things. Its more surprising given I just don't see this behavior it in game. In my experience this is just a forum thing that just wont die.
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  5. #1075
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    You can't have a conversation with a wall, you silly.
    I needed that laugh, thank you! <3
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    Why is it that the anti-DPS crowd is never willing to even entertain an opposing viewpoint?

    There have been so many rational explanations in this thread for why/when healer DPS is warranted and yet you still continue to keep the blinders on.

    How can you argue that someone who throws out DPS as a healer - even if it is a small amount - isn't contributing more to the group than a heals-only healer?
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  7. #1077
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    I needed that laugh, thank you! <3
    I'm guessing both sides of the conversation feel the same way. Its a pointless discussion to have at this point.
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  8. #1078
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    In my experience this is just a forum thing that just wont die.
    The two are actually connected - Many people will frustratedly stay silent ingame in cases like this, but vent those frustrations on the forums, linkshells, discord or FC chat instead, because you gotta vent somehow. The more pent up frustrations, the louder the debate.

    I know I do. If I get bad players, I'm bitchin' and moanin' for days, but none of that ends up in party chat. I just silently hate them and then go to the forums to make angry posts.
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  9. #1079
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    I'm guessing both sides of the conversation feel the same way. Its a pointless discussion to have at this point.
    It's someting to do until Stormblood! Let's see if we can make it 200 pages! (I am kidding don't hit me).
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  10. #1080
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    It's someting to do until Stormblood! Let's see if we can make it 200 pages! (I am kidding don't hit me).
    That's why I'm here at least... I want to play FF14 but have nothing to do in game
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