Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Zojha]

I disagree - it is possible to design content that requires constant healing [...]

Well yes, hence why I said:"With the way things are...".

But honestly? Non-static fights aren't much more fun and engaging design either. You'll still end up twiddling your thumbs for extended periods of time, you just don't know in advance whether you'll be or not.

Plus, with cleric gone, it really just amounts to cancelling your DPS cast when something bad happens. You're still gonna do those DPS casts all the time you're not healing, because for one, damage might not be incoming, so you want to do something useful in case it doesn't, for another, because you cannot pre-cast any random damage, therefore you also cannot expect people to do such, which means you'll always have enough time to cancel the DPS cast (which is instant) and start a heal cast instead. That idea needs cleric stance or some other lockout to function.

[Mature]

No. You are not conversing. Saying tanks tank, healers heal, dps dps is *NOT* a conversation. It's an echo chamber.

Person 1: I think a tank's job should be to tank, and a healer's job should be to heal, and a dps job should be to dps.
Person 2: I agree.

That's your version of a conversation? Really?

People needs get around and accept and simple fact

If you gonna go and be a healer make sure you heal your party as intended. If you wish to DPS , please do. If you wish not to DPS that's absolutely fine as long as your main job as a healer has fulfilled it's purpose.

This is something so simple to understand that people seemed to think that DPSing as a healer is mandatory when it's clearly NOT.

at the end of the day if you not happy about it. feel free to drop the party and find another group where the healer does what you want them to do.

MOVE ON and be HAPPY

[Kaisinel]

Healer - heals
Dps - DPS
Tank - tanks

Healer - Always Be Casting
DPS - Do tons of damage, use utility.
Tank - Keep hate, position properly, mitigate damage, do damage.

[Khaidal]

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/13...ew-Translation

Read this, Yoshi P is talking as a player. He doesn't want players to feel anxious, and wants them to feel like the pressure isn't there. He fully acknowledges the importance of healer DPS, and the changes to cleric and damage have been designed around making damage more accessible. He even going as far as to say "Since things are more serious in raiding, on the other hand, you'll definitely want to DPS for the first clear. As item levels go up and you're after repeat clears, the roles may shift."

In raids, yeah. That's what I meant by hard fights.

[Kogekigami]

Maybe they should look at amending the com system. Either make it more rewarding so people (including healers) work above there grade to get coms sp more encouragement to not just heal.

Or like league give you the option to com each party memebers (obviously not premade) if you liked there preformance so if you didnt like the non dpsing healer no com if the healer dpsed there butt off an no one died com. Same for dps and tanks.
Lets make it more encoraging then damning?

[Ayer2015]

In Yoshis Eyes the many healers wants to do damage (more easily). If not, he's not following any logic saying things like

All this indicates is the devs are catering to the play-style of a segment of the community. A very vocal segment at that. The changes we've seen definitely counter many of the statements made as well.
Regardless, people will play how they want, regardless of the opinions of others.

[Iromi]

I agree with what Yoshida said, it should be optional...but it is not a fault of the player base. It's this games battle system. Has little to no CC required..in fact most of our CC does not even work. When there is an add, its KILL IT ASAP NEVER sleep it, etc. All the fights are basically zerg the mob till his HP is 0 while stacking, tank swapping or stepping into something, dodging etc. There is no kiting really, no enfeebling required that will ease mechanics, like slow, paralyze, bind and as it stands now if you "mess up" and do a mechanic wrong, you usually get one shot...instead of having it so that it would require healing. Kind of boring imo.

Personally I do not mind doing damage while healing, with CS removed it will be even more easy now lol. What I do mind though is how much of a joke healing is in this game. There is no content where it really requires me to focus on some hardcore healing. Lineage II, Tera and Aion had some of the best healing jobs I have ever played, especially Tera and L2. This game doesn't even have Reraise..still lol. Kind of weird.

[Ayer2015]

People needs get around and accept and simple fact

If you gonna go and be a healer make sure you heal your party as intended. If you wish to DPS , please do. If you wish not to DPS that's absolutely fine as long as your main job as a healer has fulfilled it's purpose.

This is something so simple to understand that people seemed to think that DPSing as a healer is mandatory when it's clearly NOT.

at the end of the day if you not happy about it. feel free to drop the party and find another group where the healer does what you want them to do.

MOVE ON and be HAPPY

There will always be a segment of people who feel they can dictate how others play. While its a vocal segment of the forums, It's not one I see much of in game at least.... though that may be because I dps.

[Aramina]

If you gonna go and be a healer make sure you heal your party as intended.

Agree.

If you wish to DPS , please do.

Agree.

If you wish not to DPS that's absolutely fine as long as your main job as a healer has fulfilled it's purpose.

Agree, with the caveat that you understand that the other 3 in the party may not agree with it being absolutely fine and remove you.

This is something so simple to understand that people seemed to think that DPSing as a healer is mandatory when it's clearly NOT.

I don't think most people think it is mandatory at all. What they think is mandatory is you being just as active as your other 3 party mates. Whether that activity is doing necessary healing or something else if there is no healing is basically the same thing.

at the end of the day if you not happy about it. feel free to drop the party and find another group where the healer does what you want them to do.

MOVE ON and be HAPPY

Or remove them. It may not be an option you like or agree with (or one I like or agree with if I am being honest), but it is still an option.


Did we have a conversation now?

[KisaiTenshi]

Reading your response, I actually understand 100% where you're coming from. And yes, I understand that given your skills and abilities, you are doing your best. Also, even though I like to play optimally myself, I do enjoy chat banter and that explains a lot of the idle moments, if you were chatting.


...Now that's not to say there aren't any bad apples, there certainly are, but bad apples are all over the place and not exclusive to "raider elitists." In conclusion, I would stop the hate on raiders as a group and say what they actually are, bad players and you might get more people to see your position without them being defensive.

That's a little too much to ask considering why this thread is 108 pages now? There's only luls in the thread growth because there is a daily post limit outside the tech forum, but posting to the tech forum uses up those limits anyway.

If you really believe this would damage the games popularity you are dellusional, you people always forget that you do not reflect the majority

It would probably be a little more than the 2% raider population. Raiders are more likely to have spent more money on the game on alts/retainers/etc. They're the "whales" in the context of freemium games.

You guys understand this kind of harassment is why we don't get parsers, right? If this goes on, one day Yoshida will just gut healer dps completely so people don't attack others over it.

The prime reason why no addons will ever be official is because they can't be brought to the PS4. That's it.

Nobody should be using any kind of unauthorized third party tool with the game, but every software developer knows that the client can never be secured. VM's and remote-desktop software has pretty much made being able to detect manipulation of the game client too much effort to dedicate development time for. Best they can hope for is ASLR and DEP in 64-bit mode and hope cheat tools don't ask for administrative access.

But hey, some people love handing complete control of their computer just to get an unfair advantage in a video game~.