Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[JunseiKei]

What bothers me most about it isn't that Yoshi-P said it, it's that this came from Mr.Happy. And for some reason or another, there's a massive amount of players that seem to take whatever he says as the word of God.
Meaning now there's probably going to be a tidal wave of mediocre healers that refuse to DPS, 'because Mr.Happy said so'.

Just to add in my two pennies here, it's not the first, nor will it be the last, time Yoshida has said that healer DPS has always been optional. Unfortunately, Yoshida has yet to realize that talking to English speaking players is effective the same as talking to a brick wall.

[Mirateski]

Yeah I've done this before on sch but that still leaves 2 other healing jobs. Do the other 2 have this same level of ease?

I can't speak for whm, but unless you're having "fun" in sastasha (read: pulling gate to gate, surprisingly hard-hitting if you literally never stop) all ast needs is to hop out of cleric and essential dignity on cooldown, unless the tank is at-level and geared the way most new tanks are. Hell, even then you only need an extra benefic maybe every pack.

I had a healer in Sohr Khai when it was relevant who did nothing but heal, and they were a raider. They had like, current tier raid gear, and when there was nothing to heal, they just... stood there. We didn't kick them but it was SO FRUSTRATING. I will never kick someone who's (percievedly) underperforming compared to what I would want to do - but if I ask, for example, "why no eno/BotD/GL" and the answer was "it's not necessary" or "I can't be bothered" I'm gonna initiate the heck out of that kick. And it's a pug, so maybe I won't be agreed with, that's fine too. Majority rules.

You're nervous? Fine. You're lazy? If the rest of the party is alright with that, I'm not standing for that when I'm putting in effort.

[ArkNova]

WRONG. DPS, Tank and Healer have the same objective. Clearing the dungeon, and they all have to contribute to their best to do it. You are being selfish, you are not only a healer, you are someone that needs to collaborate with 3 more people to clear the dungeon and it is expected from everyone to perform as best as they can. Don't talk about your role as a healer, I don't care, what I care is your role as a person that needs to clear the dungeon.

That's a hell of an opinion.

[Hamada]

Yeah I've done this before on sch but that still leaves 2 other healing jobs. Do the other 2 have this same level of ease?

AST is the busiest and hardest to manage like that. You have to be much higher skilled pull it off and even then it depends on the tank knowing what to do. But basically you just let people get low and use essential dignity. AST does not have spamable stuns like whm (plus having regen, basically you just need regen mainly as a whm as you DPS and that is 21 sec long. ) If you are not DPSing as a whm, ironically that means a pure healer WHM needs to heal more then a DPS healer since the aoe stun blocks incoming damage. With good DPS, things are nearly dead with properly spaced out holy so that limits incoming damage.

Ever hear the saying sometimes a good defense is a good offense? This applies to this, a DPS healer means you have to heal less, run is quicker, everyone is happy cept trolls that want to cling on "healers only heal take off cleric stance" harassment.

Despite that, I had a story yesterday, about my friend being shield using AST while using buffs while healing derp stand in fire stuff. Now if a shield using AST can outheal a pure regen healer, while the AST out DPS - 2DPS, a tank, a range lb (that the pure healer did less then) what does that tell you? I seen a few posts DPS healers tend to be more skilled then pure healers and that story def proved that. a shield healer should never raw outheal a regen one, let alone the large DPS gap on top of that, and buffing on top of that.

So to me people taking the defense "Healer dps is optional so therefor I am not going to" are the unskilled ones trying to cling on anything they can get their hands on because they can't handle something. (Or they simply want to be lazy and afk, I do not know) Being exposed to scripted fights for 10+ times, you should know when healing is needed and when healing isnt needed.

[Selova]

What bothers me most about it isn't that Yoshi-P said it, it's that this came from Mr.Happy. And for some reason or another, there's a massive amount of players that seem to take whatever he says as the word of God.
Meaning now there's probably going to be a tidal wave of mediocre healers that refuse to DPS, 'because Mr.Happy said so'.

Except that if you actually watched his video he said specifically NOT to quote him paraphrasing a conversation he had with yoshi P regarding healer dps.

[AlphaSonic]

Just because you have the same objective doesn't mean you have to do everything in your power possible to do it. You don't see Melees Always getting positionals on trash mobs that your nuking down? you don't see the tank always optimally DPS, Just because the objective is to clear a dungeon doesn't mean they have to do what you think is best... It just means... hey we are all working toward this one goal. Demanding people do what you want because you think it is the best way to get the objective is one sided. I think your opinion of what is best is what your trying to force on others. and step one is to understand your in a group, and the only thing you 100% control is you as the individual

I think it's courtesy to play the best you can when you are paired with random people. I don't care what you do with your friends and stuff. But when you are with random people maybe, and only maybe you should stop focusing on yourself and think about the others. And if you can't do that, maybe play only with your friends or play an offline game. I can't believe we are discussing if it is good not trying your best when you are paired with random people as a healer.

In the end of the day you can play however you want, but maybe instead of thinking to much about me me me me me me me me. You should think about the others. I'm healer and I will play as the best I can, and it won't bother me at all this discussion since I'm the one playing the healer role, but well... It's disappointing seeing all of you thinking that just doing the minimum required it's good enough when other people might be (or might be not, who knows) doing their best.

[ArkNova]

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See me and you are on the same page, I've never forced a healer to dps. It just has never bothered me, dungeons don't really feel any longer to me when a healer does or does not dps. Do I personally dps as a healer? Yes, yes I do but I'm not parcing crazy omg look at my numbers you suck you're a dps I'm a healer #uninstallgameyouwanker kind of healer. I will help dps because it can get boring just curing but then there's days where I want to kick back and relax. Short of it is I will dps as a healer but I wont breath my opinion or play style down other people's backs.

[Fyce]

Just because you have the same objective doesn't mean you have to do everything in your power possible to do it. You don't see Melees Always getting positionals on trash mobs that your nuking down? you don't see the tank always optimally DPS, Just because the objective is to clear a dungeon doesn't mean they have to do what you think is best... It just means... hey we are all working toward this one goal. Demanding people do what you want because you think it is the best way to get the objective is one sided. I think your opinion of what is best is what your trying to force on others. and step one is to understand your in a group, and the only thing you 100% control is you as the individual

If you don't think that people are worth your best, then accept that these people may think that you're not worth being in their party.

[Noata]

I think it's courtesy to play the best you can when you are paired with random people. I don't care what you do with your friends and stuff. But when you are with random people maybe, and only maybe you should stop focusing on yourself and think about the others. And if you can't do that, maybe play only with your friends or play an offline game. I can't believe we are discussing if it is good not trying your best when you are paired with random people as a healer.

In the end of the day you can play however you want, but maybe instead of thinking to much about me me me me me me me me. You should think about the others. I'm healer and I will play as the best I can, and it won't bother me at all this discussion since I'm the one playing the healer role, but well. It's disappointing seeing all of you thinking that just doing the minimum required it's good enough when other people might be (or might be not, who knows) are doing their best.

I have never said be selfish, Besides I highly doubt you pop potions during regular DF runs and eat food to do your "Best" You settle for what you think is sufficient and all I am saying is you are grouping with multiple people, with their own plan on how they are going to play, you can suggest things.. but expecting people to do everything you say, or think they should be doing isn't going to happen.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

I'm sorry but what does popping consumables have ANYTHING to do with healers using abilities at their disposal? Worst comparison.