Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Exiled_Tonberry]

You're still getting kicked if you don't DPS.

I wouldn't kick anyone, but if I was a tank, and I saw a healer not Dpsing at all, I would make ample use of DPS stance and make sure I pull much more.
Because if you're just going to spam heals at me, the least you can do is keep me alive through higher damage.

[CNK]

I wouldn't kick anyone, but if I was a tank, and I saw a healer not Dpsing at all, I would make ample use of DPS stance and make sure I pull much more.
Because if you're just going to spam heals at me, the least you can do is keep me alive through higher damage.

I already do that, I also make sure to stand in every AOE and never pop CDs to make sure the healer is getting immersed in playing their role.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

If you're talking about raiding, if you aren't willing to contribute everything in your spell book to achieve victory, you deserve to be kicked, because frankly you're just being lazy. Content isn't designed assuming healers are dpsing, okay, that's great. GOOD/Skilled healers will still contribute every ounce of effort to helping achieve victory.

You seem to have this misguided notion that healers are irreplacable precious snowflakes. On my data center right now there are 4 scholars and 2 main healers (Ast/whm) searching for a savage static group. If you're unwilling to step up and play optimally, that's fine. Just be prepared to be replaced.

[Ayer2015]

If you're talking about raiding, if you aren't willing to contribute everything in your spell book to achieve victory, you deserve to be kicked, because frankly you're just being lazy. Content isn't designed assuming healers are dpsing, okay, that's great. GOOD/Skilled healers will still contribute every ounce of effort to helping achieve victory.

You seem to have this misguided notion that healers are irreplacable precious snowflakes. On my data center right now there are 4 scholars and 2 main healers (Ast/whm) searching for a savage static group. If you're unwilling to step up and play optimally, that's fine. Just be prepared to be replaced.

With respect to raiding I agree with the sentiments and I assume most would... that said its clear many people posting are applying their standards to all group content.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

With respect to raiding I agree with the sentiments and I assume most would... that said its clear many people posting are applying their standards to all group content.

I see.
if I'm in expert roulette and the healer is being lazy, I don't care. I often don't do my optimal DPS rotation in Expert Roulette either. I'm usually watching youtube on one screen and half-booty DPSing on the main one.

[SaitoHikari]

If you're talking about raiding, if you aren't willing to contribute everything in your spell book to achieve victory, you deserve to be kicked, because frankly you're just being lazy. Content isn't designed assuming healers are dpsing, okay, that's great. GOOD/Skilled healers will still contribute every ounce of effort to helping achieve victory.

You seem to have this misguided notion that healers are irreplacable precious snowflakes. On my data center right now there are 4 scholars and 2 main healers (Ast/whm) searching for a savage static group. If you're unwilling to step up and play optimally, that's fine. Just be prepared to be replaced.

Yeah, that's the funny thing. The whole notion that healers are irreplaceable simply doesn't apply to FFXIV, at least in the raiding scene. This game has a huge population of healers compared to many other MMOs.

That's actually why I stopped maining a healer class and went to DPS instead, because I'm a lot more useful and needed there.

[Noata]

I already do that, I also make sure to stand in every AOE and never pop CDs to make sure the healer is getting immersed in playing their role.

Are you sure your not the lazy one... I mean, if your playing terribly bad in DF and expecting the healer to carry you... it seems like your the problem. Are you sure they weren't DPSing while you were making sure to stand in that orange AOE?

lol I get what your saying but... trying to force people to do things or punish them is kinda low. I know it is probably rare for you, but if I saw the tank doing terrible I wouldn't think it is because he is teaching the healer a lesson.

[CNK]

Are you sure your not the lazy one... I mean, if your playing terribly bad in DF and expecting the healer to carry you... it seems like your the problem. Are you sure they weren't DPSing while you were making sure to stand in that orange AOE?

lol I get what your saying but... trying to force people to do things or punish them is kinda low. I know it is probably rare for you, but if I saw the tank doing terrible I wouldn't think it is because he is teaching the healer a lesson.

I make sure they're not DPSing first, and how am I punishing them? If anything they should be thanking me! If they only want to heal in the dungeon I'm just giving them more things to heal.

[Noata]

I make sure they're not DPSing first, and how am I punishing them? If anything they should be thanking me! If they only want to heal in the dungeon I'm just giving them more things to heal.

If you don't think how.. intentionally trying to make them do something because you didn't like something else they did is punishment... then I really can't help you.

Maybe reprisal is more fitting? I dunno, I looked up punishment, and at least to me it fits as defined in the argument.

[AlphaSonic]

If you don't think how.. intentionally trying to make them do something because you didn't like something else they did is punishment... then I really can't help you.

Maybe reprisal is more fitting? I dunno, I looked up punishment, and at least to me it fits as defined in the argument.

Well but that goes the other way around. Why isn't the healer helping the other 3 people to clear the dungeon faster? Mobs in this game don't hit hard enough for constant healing.