The trade offs of the new SMN

[AristocraticCorgi]

We gave up:
>bane potency, which was excellent for dungeon runs and trash while raiding.

We acquired:
>more single target damage (excellent if you raid!)
>devotion: 5% increase in attack and healing potency for party members as well as a 5% decrease in damage received.

The way it looks like, SMN will be more seriously considered as an excellent choice for raiding.

Not very happy still about what happened to Bane but I am satisfied with the upcoming changes since I focus more on raiding.



ps: reference. https://gamerescape.com/2017/05/30/f...lysis-casters/

ps2: we still will have to wait until the definite SB changes take effect. Until then, it's looking pretty good for SMN if you ask me, despite the announced nerfs.

[Leigaon]

Thank you for the reference, I've been out of the loop for a bit so coming back to see such new information is overwhelming.

So we loose Bio / Bio II as separate spells? They get increased in duration (24/25s?) and same with Miasma / Miasma II? I sort of don't mind that. I like how if our pet does something performs a skill we get a chance to get things upgraded to Ruin IV, and our Enkindle gets reduced.

[AristocraticCorgi]

Thank you for the reference, I've been out of the loop for a bit so coming back to see such new information is overwhelming.

So we loose Bio / Bio II as separate spells? They get increased in duration (24/25s?) and same with Miasma / Miasma II? I sort of don't mind that. I like how if our pet does something performs a skill we get a chance to get things upgraded to Ruin IV, and our Enkindle gets reduced.

Forgot to mention that we also get a Ruin Proc now, which will be interesting down the road.

Overall the changes seem fair and in some ways we seem to be getting more than what we lost/originally had.

[Silverquick]

Actually no... its a serious problem for Raiding...

Because now all your damage will come from Bahamet and DWT + Ruin 3 + Deathflare... and when the Boss mob goes invulnerable or the heavy movement mechanics in the fight starts...

You lose ALL your damage as to where it was only a small portion that could be canceled or bursted early prior.

[AristocraticCorgi]

Actually no... its a serious problem for Raiding...

Because now all your damage will come from Bahamet and DWT + Ruin 3 + Deathflare... and when the Boss mob goes invulnerable or the heavy movement mechanics in the fight starts...

You lose ALL your damage as to where it was only a small portion that could be canceled or bursted early prior.

I looked you up on fflogs and couldn't find you anywhere.

I am referring specifically to savage raids/ex primals. The buffs and additions to SMN will be very welcome there.

[Silverquick]

I looked you up on fflogs and couldn't find you anywhere.

I am referring specifically to savage raids/ex primals. The buffs and additions to SMN will be very welcome there.

Funny my Achievements say otherwise...

That said its completely irrelevant... And if you learned anything from FFLOGs you know the real reason BLM isn't on top anymore... because all that movement hoses up their Enochian which is very delicate...

....as SMN we never had that kind of all or nothing power... until now... in fact we were mobile and never locked into something prior.

So why do you think its going to suddenly and mysteriously be different here? And we've got less damage mitigation for that than the BLMs do?

Do you seriously think you're going to be spamming Ruin 3 in Sophia Ex much while in DWT, or getting that Phase thing from Bahamet's extra attack?

You know as well as I do how much movement, boss mob invulnerability, and special mechanics are in those... you better hope you didn't pop your DWT right at that moment...

Because there went half your DPS.

[Senliten]

Funny my Achievements say otherwise...

That said its completely irrelevant... And if you learned anything from FFLOGs you know the real reason BLM isn't on top anymore... because all that movement hoses up their Enochian which is very delicate...

....as SMN we never had that kind of all or nothing power... until now... in fact we were mobile and never locked into something prior.

So why do you think its going to suddenly and mysteriously be different here? And we've got less damage mitigation for that than the BLMs do?

Do you seriously think you're going to be spamming Ruin 3 in Sophia Ex much while in DWT, or getting that Phase thing from Bahamet's extra attack?

You know as well as I do how much movement, boss mob invulnerability, and special mechanics are in those... you better hope you didn't pop your DWT right at that moment...

Because there went half your DPS.

Honestly, the way you go on with the doom and gloom so instantly. I'd ask the people that carried you for a refund~ Given how sorry I feel for em XD

Kinda wish T0rin was still around to bring some further insight onto what these changes might mean for end game.
Also Bahamut reads like a big AA flappy <_<, coulda just buffed garuda and be done with it, but nah, need to give people that want that 'summony feel' for a pet class, an aesthetic and nothing more.

[AristocraticCorgi]

Honestly, the way you go on with the doom and gloom so instantly. I'd ask the people that carried you for a refund~ Given how sorry I feel for em XD

He mentioned on the other SMN thread that he melded PIETY on his SMN.

You be the judge.

[Hakane_Mitsu]

Funny my Achievements say otherwise...

I'm just gonna say I feel sorry for the people that carried you.

[Silverquick]

I'm just gonna say I feel sorry for the people that carried you.

Yeah cool you're right I was totally carried from day one...

Now... back to reality.....

..... about movement mechanics and boss mob invulnerability in DWT... and all our other damage nerfed with the exception of that..... where all our damage was squeezed into the DWT set now...

Discuss that among you supposed "elites" that supposedly are the only ones who raid...

.....and then tell me what happens to your DWT, Ruin 3 spam, and Deathflare when they go invulnerable or the mechanics phase starts?