Low level dungeons need a nerf? [Discussion]

[Fomitsu]

Here is me running lvl 50-60 dungeons in a flash (ofc with a good DPS) while doing low level dungeons takes double if not more time. New players, with the goal to reach their lvl 60(70 soon) friends, are relying on dungeons to level up (unless they discover Palace of the dead). So, can't the Dev boost players in-dungeons or lower mobs HP to fasten the process of leveling? Are their any negative effect if low level dungeons are nerfed?( e.g: story neglection..)

What do you think?

[Felis]

Level up to 60 in PotD, do low level dungeons unsynched

The dungeons don't need a nerf, only the DF have to give you decent good DPS players

[Vidu]

They did increase the amount of exp leveling dungeons offer.
And even without that: No, they dont need a nerf. Specially no in the form of lowering anyones HP - because THAT would have a negative impact, excatly the one that PotD already has: if mobs dont have high enough HP and die to fast, no one can properly learn their rotation and how to play their class. PotD mob are currently often dying before anyone was able to decently finish a full rotation. And not everyone is going to practice at a dummy to learn how to play their class at level 60/70.

Can we please stop asking for an already easy process in an easy game to get further nerfed?

[vp_cmc]

no one can properly learn their rotation and how to play their class.

What rotation do you want to practice in Sastasha?

[Vidu]

What rotation do you want to practice in Sastasha?

I was under the impression this was about leveling dungeons in general, not Sastasha?

Also: Not excatly a rotation but using/keeping up dots as bard, for example - if stuff dies to quickly, a new archer might easly consider them useless and dont get used to using them.

[CosmicKirby]

They did increase the amount of exp leveling dungeons offer.
And even without that: No, they dont need a nerf. Specially no in the form of lowering anyones HP - because THAT would have a negative impact, excatly the one that PotD already has: if mobs dont have high enough HP and die to fast, no one can properly learn their rotation and how to play their class. PotD mob are currently often dying before anyone was able to decently finish a full rotation. And not everyone is going to practice at a dummy to learn how to play their class at level 60/70.

Can we please stop asking for an already easy process in an easy game to get further nerfed?

There is nothing in leveling dungeons that necessitates or even properly rewards using an optimal or 'correct' rotation or playstyle. Rather, such an incredibly large degree of poor play is required until the game pushes back hard enough for a player to notice and consider changes to their playstyle/tactics.

While nerfing it from what it is now won't help the situation, the current situation doesn't help them learn much either. The only challenges in the game that properly address gameplay mechanics are boss fights, and those challenges only really start to appear around level 50, (with some minor ramp up starting around level 40). In the very least, nerfing trash mobs to help clear times be comparable to POTD, could be an option to help solve the current preference, that's likely to skew even more heavily come Stormblood.

Much less, it is VERY MUCH worth considering how many players are going to buy a jump potion, and skip lower level dungeons entirely. In which case, your defense of keeping them as is becomes superfluous, as they'll only set foot in these dungeons well after encountering more difficult challenges.

[bswpayton]

There is nothing in leveling dungeons that necessitates or even properly rewards using an optimal or 'correct' rotation or playstyle. Rather, such an incredibly

Its a bit of jumping the gun to assume that everyones just gona buy a jump potion because really , the only point in skipping the story is if u plan to raid. If you do not plan to raid then theres zero reason to skip, many people take their sweet time with the story because they really have no endgame goals. If you have no endgame goals then a jump potion would be a waste of money. The dungeons are fine as is, I blame the tanks for doing baby pulls for making some of these dungeons take longer than they should. A three add pull is a waste of time I dont care what dungeon ur doing if all they do is autoattacks.

[Khaoticsuccubus]

There is nothing in leveling dungeons that necessitates or even properly rewards using an optimal or 'correct' rotation or playstyle. Rather, such an incredibly large degree of poor play is required until the game pushes back hard enough for a player to notice and consider changes to their playstyle/tactics.

While nerfing it from what it is now won't help the situation, the current situation doesn't help them learn much either. The only challenges in the game that properly address gameplay mechanics are boss fights, and those challenges only really start to appear around level 50, (with some minor ramp up starting around level 40). In the very least, nerfing trash mobs to help clear times be comparable to POTD, could be an option to help solve the current preference, that's likely to skew even more heavily come Stormblood.

Much less, it is VERY MUCH worth considering how many players are going to buy a jump potion, and skip lower level dungeons entirely. In which case, your defense of keeping them as is becomes superfluous, as they'll only set foot in these dungeons well after encountering more difficult challenges.

Yeah no, personally I'd rather they buff them. Even as boring as they are atm I'd rather not see old leveling dungeons go the way WoW's did. That is, being able to ignore your party all together and run off to solo the dungeon by yourself (I am guilty of this ;P).

When did I say anything about healers needing an AoE? The whole point is: If your party doesnt has decent AoE and you do a large pull, it actually requires the healer to pay attention to healing - in dungeons that are so easy that its not needed at all. As a scholar I never leave Cleric Stance once in any dungeon prior to Brayflox and am essiantially a third dps - speeds dungeons up quite a bit. I cant do that if a tank goes for a large pull though, so unless there is good AoE that kills a lot of mob at once, its basically the loss of a Dps.
The benefit of large pulls is obviously that more mobs are taking damage from the same attack (AoEs) - if there is no such thing as decent AoE present in your party and everyone has to focus one mob at a time anyways, you gain nothing from a large pull, because, again: your dps can only attack one mob at a time. Wether the group of mobs contains 3 or 6 mobs doesnt matter when your two melees can only burn on at a time - it does matter to your healer wether they have to heal through 3 mobs (and have time to dps) or 6 mobs (less or no time to dps, depending on dungeon and gear of the tank).

And btw... I did a TamTara-run earlier. Took about 17 minutes. Two new people, no big pulls, no AoEs at our disposal, but a healer (me) constantly dps'ing - lets not pretend that its (only) big pulls that speed up a dungeon. Sometimes normal pulls are the smart move - specially when there is no AoE present.

To add on to this, in most lowbie dungeons unless you have a blm/brd/mch in the group, spamming your tank aoe like overpower is just going to deplete your tp long before anythings dead. Iirc, only warrior has anyway to restore tp and that's after 50.

[Lelila38]

Are their any negative effect if low level dungeons are nerfed?

Player skill, low as it is, will get even lower still.
Honestly, why does everyone always call for nerfs instead of trying to improve themselves?
Or is this another troll topic??

[Welsper59]

Player skill, low as it is, will get even lower still.
Honestly, why does everyone always call for nerfs instead of trying to improve themselves?
Or is this another troll topic??

I'd wager the majority of players in general are of like-mind though, including those who do perform well. MMORPGs (or games in general) used to be about earning your ability to speed through things, not believing yourself entitled to it. Give the wrong people too much power, and they won't even realize they're always wanting more.