Red Mage AoE

[Brinstar]

Well at least they have spammable (potentially so long as their mana holda out) AoE. Would love to have that in Stormblood as SMN.

You almost make it sound like SMNs don't have the strongest and the most efficient AoE in the game. I'm not really sure what more than that anyone could want xD

[Draxxion]

You're greatly overstating the complexity of SMN AoE. You do have to hit more than a couple of buttons, but by no means it is anything difficult. RDM has Death Blossom and a weak Katon basically. It's going to have an AoE rotation as boring as NIN's was.

I think we are arguing two different things. I am not talking about complexity. I know SMN has more complex and interesting to do AOE. I am talking ease of use and spamability. You can't spam SMN AOE. You can RDM. RDM AOE might be boring, but at least it has no set up and you can spam it as long as your mana holds out.

[NovaLevossida]

I think we are arguing two different things. I am not talking about complexity. I know SMN has more complex and interesting to do AOE. I am talking ease of use and spamability. You can't spam SMN AOE. You can RDM. RDM AOE might be boring, but at least it has no set up and you can spam it as long as your mana holds out.

I guess I don't get the point. The "setup" isn't complicated or hard to get going, so I don't see the contrast between that and Death Blossom spam as anything relevant.

Except NIN will have Hellfrog and TCJ(SKD) now... soooooooo

Yeah. That's why I made sure I used past tense when talking about NIN. They got some nice changes to not be as boring as they used to be.

[Arkenne]

That's why I used past tense.

Whops, my bad. Well, sadly both of those are gated behind the same resource which is kinda troublesome to build up anyway so it may not be THAT different.

[NovaLevossida]

Whops, my bad. Well, sadly both of those are gated behind the same resource which is kinda troublesome to build up anyway so it may not be THAT different.

Nah, no problem. I'll get around to trying 4.0 NIN at some point.

[Tide]

Back to aoe, if there are mp issues i can think of some options, if just aoe, then easy to drop the mp cost. Other options could be to make dualcast cause the casted spell to be free or half mp or something. If just fixing aoe mp issues then maybe make enhanced scatter free or reduced mp. I dont think single target mp will be an issue, at least based on the simulator i was able to go for a long time by using lucid dream and kept around 75%mp. I think adding a mp regen to holy and maybe a short damage buff to flare would be an interesting mechanic that encourages true control and mastery of their mana balance. Another mp solution is to make impact cause a mp regen effect.

[saber_alter]

While i kinda find it unfortunate that RDM lacks the AOE strength that either SMN or BLM have, I'm still looking forward to it. hopefully RMD's single target damage is more than enough to make up for it's lack of a viable AOE rotation.

[Arkenne]

While i kinda find it unfortunate that RDM lacks the AOE strength that either SMN or BLM have, I'm still looking forward to it. hopefully RMD's single target damage is more than enough to make up for it's lack of a viable AOE rotation.

Well, looking at the AoE nerfs that has been going around maybe SE wants to discourage speed running practices and this is their roundabout way to say it??

[Tide]

Well, looking at the AoE nerfs that has been going around maybe SE wants to discourage speed running practices and this is their roundabout way to say it??

They just place magic walls when they think you are cheating the system. *cough*Amdapor Keep*Cough* :P

[saber_alter]

Well, looking at the AoE nerfs that has been going around maybe SE wants to discourage speed running practices and this is their roundabout way to say it??

Those changes were already in game for BLM. they just weren't tacked on to summoner until now.