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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluvia View Post
    You say that but I took part in the alpha and beta of legion and they flat out ignored issues we brought up 6 months before the expansion released and took weeks or months to actually do anything about it let alone admit there was a problem. All of us testing DH telling SE hey we have too much AoE damage you may want to look into it Ignored until a good month after release when they have to finally nerf it because all they were taking for mythic + runs were DH.
    I am saying that they responded to some feedback. There were blue posts which basically said, we've heard what you are saying and here is our response. It wasn't for every single piece of feedback, but it was there and widespread. Again, Blizz ain't perfect, but they give infinitely more communication than we get from Square.

    Note that actually making changes is not the same thing as communication.. Here is an example..

    Player A: Class X's ability is too weak and needs adjusting to remain balanced.

    Company A: Thank you for the feedback, we actually are finding on internal sims that Class X is perfectly balanced.
    Company B: .... Patch Notes later: Class X's aoe has been buffed by 10%.

    Both listened, but A actually communicated, even though B made the change and A did not. B still didn't communicate anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Again, Blizz ain't perfect, but they give infinitely more communication than we get from Square..
    No offense, but they tried to hide the change to Mob scaling their HP and dmg with your gear during PTR and completely ignored ANY feedback about it, then when they couldn't hide it anymore because it was blatant they said they had no feedback about it on PTR despite forums post about it, so I'm afraid I'll have to disagree, blizzard is simply the worst they only listen to what benefits them. BTW this was more obnoxious because it come right after they said they would become more clear about changes in development and PTRs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    No offense, but they tried to hide the change to Mob scaling their HP and dmg with your gear during PTR and completely ignored ANY feedback about it, then when they couldn't hide it anymore because it was blatant they said they had no feedback about it on PTR despite forums post about it, so I'm afraid I'll have to disagree, blizzard is simply the worst they only listen to what benefits them. BTW this was more obnoxious because it come right after they said they would become more clear about changes in development and PTRs.
    For the 5th post now. Listening is not the same thing as communication. Blizzard communicates better, because they actually engage in dialogue with their playerbase. They do not engage in dialogue on every issue, but they do on many issues. They don't always make the right choices after the communication, but that doesn't mean they didn't communicate.

    FFXIV often makes the right choices, and/or balances things well, in comparison. Though, conversely, they don't engage in dialogue with the playerbase at all. They only release 1-sided live letters on a frequent basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    For the 5th post now. Listening is not the same thing as communication. Blizzard communicates better, because they actually engage in dialogue with their playerbase. They do not engage in dialogue on every issue, but they do on many issues. They don't always make the right choices after the communication, but that doesn't mean they didn't communicate.

    FFXIV often makes the right choices, and/or balances things well, in comparison. Though, conversely, they don't engage in dialogue with the playerbase at all. They only release 1-sided live letters on a frequent basis.
    Not saying they don't say anything, I'm saying that what they say holds no value because they will lie most of the time and if they do not lie they speak without anything to back it up which honestly it's worse.
    There have been in the years many events where they blatantly lied despite playerbase calling them out, now I don't want to say FFXIV team didn't lied and I honestly don't care to cover them up, that's not my work, however I really don't think this dev team is worse than blizzard's
    And on the infos topic honestly I just hope they won't tell us ANYTHING of the value of spells before an expansion releases in the future, consider how much immature we as players can be tbh
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