Developer lack of communication

[Moonlite]

Oh but the Dev's dont communicate..
Nope I dont see anything...
/facepalm

I swear sometimes they have to get hit with it, in the face, with a wrecking ball...

I am saving this for when the next housing fiasco gets ignored on the forums so I can link back to how awesome communication is. Also maybe for the next Diadem because that has been pure gold so far. Or maybe when the bots are rampant in N than leveling rdm/sam to 70 and that gets ignored.

It is easy to say they communicate. Any little info or gesture can count.

[SendohJin]

I am saving this for when the next housing fiasco gets ignored on the forums so I can link back to how awesome communication is. Also maybe for the next Diadem because that has been pure gold so far. Or maybe when the bots are rampant in N than leveling rdm/sam to 70 and that gets ignored.

It is easy to say they communicate. Any little info or gesture can count.

Again, nothing to do with communication. Housing and Diadem are implementation problems, they heard but what they were able to do is limited. just because they can't fix everything the way we want them to doesn't mean they don't listen. and they often don't respond because there's nothing good to say.

[Moonlite]

Again, nothing to do with communication. Housing and Diadem are implementation problems, they heard but what they were able to do is limited. just because they can't fix everything the way we want them to doesn't mean they don't listen. and they often don't respond because there's nothing good to say.

So basically when the game has problems silence is the answer? Then this is pointless. They can create problems and because they can't fix them and they know they are bad they can just ignore them? Then we have no point having anything from the dev team or asking for anything. They can create a problem and move on. And I don't mean a player can't keep his blm buff up because he doesn't have the perfect positional. I mean stuff we can see miles away. Open world housing, open world mobs, random raid drops from almost fates, gating content behind story, I could go on.

Maybe you are right and they just think we should live with it. Even if we can't see why they would make such poor decisions. Which actually has been the sort of go to move.

[Altena]

This thread is entirely nonsensical.

So many other games would just give you a CGI trailer, maybe some in-game footage and that would be it.
Stuff like skill potencies and rotations wouldn't even be touched.

Be thankful that you know the rough idea of what a good portion of the skills do, and what the general mechanics are about.
There is inevitably going to be some rebalancing through the first couple of patches, and if WHM is really in such a sorry state - it will get looked at after release when everyone has had the chance to play the "final" version of the revamp on the 16th.

You watched the letter with the understanding that potencies and skills aren't final and will likely be adjusted between when they were released and launch.

[Jetstream_Fox]

This thread is entirely nonsensical.

So many other games would just give you a CGI trailer, maybe some in-game footage and that would be it.

And a few of those games get sued or get tons of bad media coverage. Alien Colonial Marines was one in particular that got sued because what they showed off wasn't anything in the game, both the recent Call of Duty and Battlefield 1 had some scrutiny, though BF1 sold well there was still people mad at the fact nothing in the trailer was game footage. Halo 5 was another one, showing constant trailers of Master Chief and Locke doing battle, but they never fight except I've brief moment toward the end of the game. Want other ones? The Division, Watch Dogs, and Ghost Recon, coincidentally all big Ubisoft games have had tons of backlash for showing off different builds of games or not using any footage at all.

You can't blame people for getting sick of game development companies doing this, it's not ok for a company to show you a game engine trailer and then the entire game isn't even close to that level. If many other types of professionals from doctors to mechanics, sold people on false pretenses, everyone would be up in arms. So why do game devs get a pass?

[Felis]

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Then people should only watch the "Revolution" musicvideo. All what the video show will be in the game for sure.

[Jetstream_Fox]

Then people should only watch the "Revolution" musicvideo. All what the video show will be in the game for sure.

Revolutions would serve as a great game trailer. Even better than the reveal trailer, since it used actual in game footage, the Revolutions trailer is likely the most accurate look at the game. But why was a trailer promoting a song, using more up to date game footage, but a key video depicting very important job changes, allowed to use old builds portraying as new?

[Altena]

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There is an advertisement out at the moment for the new Hyundai i30.
It shows the car falling from a ridiculous height (like a comet) and smashing into the ground and driving away.
You think that car can actually do that?


It's marketing.

I mean the CGI Stormblood trailer isn't in the game. Not even as a CGI cutscene.
The devs stated over and over that the content was "still in development and subject to change". It "wasn't final".
Last minute balancing and adjustments are bound to happen.

What we have been shown was content from April. They were previewing what they had back then, for a game that was still in development.
All of the content was subject to change, and that was announced a hundred times.

Would you rather they showed us nothing? Or some cheesy action-trailer showing us a character with a hidden UI running around the new zones?

Be thankful you have as much information about the battle system changes as you do. It's not false advertising.

[Welsper59]

And a few of those games get sued or get tons of bad media coverage. Alien Colonial Marines was one in particular that got sued because what they showed off wasn't anything in the game, both the recent Call of Duty and Battlefield 1 had some scrutiny, though BF1 sold well there was still people mad at the fact nothing in the trailer was game footage. Halo 5 was another one, showing constant trailers of Master Chief and Locke doing battle, but they never fight except I've brief moment toward the end of the game. Want other ones? The Division, Watch Dogs, and Ghost Recon, coincidentally all big Ubisoft games have had tons of backlash for showing off different builds of games or not using any footage at all.

You can't blame people for getting sick of game development companies doing this, it's not ok for a company to show you a game engine trailer and then the entire game isn't even close to that level. If many other types of professionals from doctors to mechanics, sold people on false pretenses, everyone would be up in arms. So why do game devs get a pass?

Because the games that deserved actual backlash (to the extent that the legal system became directly involved) was relevant to the product itself. I noted this earlier in this thread, but A:CM was a different and clearly substandard game at its core compared to the demo. Nearly everything about what made the demo appealing did not make it to the final product. The demo showed Xenomorph AI actually react to the situation, instead of blindly charging forward. It showed great level experience that weren't in the game and graphic quality that stood above and beyond expectation. Add to that Randy Pitchford's false commentary through interviews and making-of promotions that used the demo, rather than anything akin to the final. Everything that would make a modern game appealing. Sadly, they even went to the extent of hiding the fact they outsourced nearly all of the game, despite claims through those interviews/promotions that they were implying it was developed in-house.

The situation here is absolutely nothing like that. What we have here is the equivalent of a gun in Halo not functioning exactly as we'd see in a demo. That's all. That's why the devs here get a pass. People making comparisons between those games and what is happening here is ridiculous and evident of folks who are 1) making a big deal out of what is essentially nothing and 2) failing at understanding the situation. Part of said failure being their lack of remembering that this is an MMORPG. Nearly everything about the gameplay (besides the genre itself) is subject to change for better or worse.

Edit: For clarification, my mention of "nothing" there is referring to severity, rather than discontent. Express concern and all that, but people should learn to not treat it like some kind of crime against humanity. This game, like many others in the MMORPG genre, are known to adjust things or make changes... in case anyone forgot.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

The devs have a marked habit of telling people a tad too much and then the community comes back and bites their head off as thanks for being included. Seriously, people overreacting is terrible... Next time they shouldn't show anything at all until release, so that we can avoid these frankly ridiculous issues.