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    As someone that plays WoW along with this game, I can only laugh if you think that this is what lack of communication looks like. The fact is that the FFXIV playerbase is spoiled if you honestly think SE is lacking in the communication department. A lot of other MMOs would give anything to have the kind of devs that work on this game. You have no clue what real lack of communication looks like.
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    Or people could stop over reacting and acting like children..... If WHM doesn't play the way they intended it to, it will get changed. I understand some of the concern, and they have every right to voice it, but its been excessive.

    The devs clearly stated that everything they were showing was subject to change and not final. People choose to ignore that however....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    As someone that plays WoW along with this game, I can only laugh if you think that this is what lack of communication looks like. The fact is that the FFXIV playerbase is spoiled if you honestly think SE is lacking in the communication department. A lot of other MMOs would give anything to have the kind of devs that work on this game. You have no clue what real lack of communication looks like.
    As someone who plays WoW as well, I can say that Blizzard does a much better job at communicating with their playerbase than Square does. Just look at all of the blue-post responded threads on their forums vs here. They aren't perfect, but that was specifically what I was thinking of when I said that two-communication sucks here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    As someone that plays WoW along with this game, I can only laugh if you think that this is what lack of communication looks like. The fact is that the FFXIV playerbase is spoiled if you honestly think SE is lacking in the communication department. A lot of other MMOs would give anything to have the kind of devs that work on this game. You have no clue what real lack of communication looks like.
    What, seriously? I would actually use Blizzard and WoW as an example of excellent communication. Coming from WoW to 14, I was really shocked by the comparative lack of conversations the devs have with their players.

    Blizzard reveals all their upcoming changes to their playerbase months ahead of time and has conversations with them, their intention behind the changes, and what they may or may not be tweaking in the future and how they will tweak it. If information is outdated, they will immediately inform their players, along with giving them the current iteration of that information. If you ever visit MMO-Champ you can see just how much information they share every single day. Blizzard takes their transparency very seriously. 14's information may as well be locked in a guarded vault by comparison.

    Now, are the changes Blizzard makes always good ones? Definitely not, but to say they aren't transparent about them is pretty far from the truth.

    Community reps are a different issue though, and they're something Blizz and SE are pretty similar on. SE's US forums are the redheaded stepchild, whereas Blizz's EU ones are equally ignored.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    As someone who plays WoW as well, I can say that Blizzard does a much better job at communicating with their playerbase than Square does. Just look at all of the blue-post responded threads on their forums vs here. They aren't perfect, but that was specifically what I was thinking of when I said that two-communication sucks here.
    CMs posting in "fluff" threads or posting automated responses isn't developer communication. They are CMs for a reason, it's their job to engage the community and relay information from the developers. CMs=//=Developers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    CMs posting in "fluff" threads or posting automated responses isn't developer communication. They are CMs for a reason, it's their job to engage the community and relay information from the developers. CMs=//=Developers.
    Not really referring to fluff threads or automated responses; however, those are still better than FFXIV. There are a lot of good responses both by CM's and developers themselves all over the WoW forums. This includes their PTR forum, class forums etc.

    FFXIV just frontloads information into a live letter and then ignores us for 3 months until the next live letter. WoW releases information and then goes into consistent back and forth discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    CMs posting in "fluff" threads or posting automated responses isn't developer communication. They are CMs for a reason, it's their job to engage the community and relay information from the developers. CMs=//=Developers.
    There's literally a giant post right on the front page of MMO-champ with a blizzard dev having a conversation with the elemental shaman community about what they feel is wrong with the spec and what Blizz is doing to tweak it. There's a large amount of notes not far under it regarding upcoming raid design and changes being made to it.

    I wonder if there's a class community in 14 that could really benefit from a dev speaking to them about their distressing changes right now? Hmm.
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    Last edited by MisterLucie; 06-06-2017 at 04:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterLucie View Post
    There's literally a giant post right on the front page of MMO-champ with a blizzard dev having a conversation with the elemental shaman community about what they feel is wrong with the spec and what Blizz is doing to tweak it. There's a large amount of notes not far under it regarding upcoming raid design and changes being made to it.

    I wonder if there's a class community in 14 that could really benefit from a dev speaking to them about their distressing changes right now? Hmm.
    Why? Has anyone actually played the 4.0 release build yet? So what dialogue is there to have with nothing to base your facts on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airget View Post
    Why? Has anyone actually played the 4.0 release build yet? So what dialogue is there to have with nothing to base your facts on?
    Outdated information was released to the public with very flawed designs. Many members of the playerbase are upset about it. SE should be able to see this and let their playerbase know "Hey, we understand you're upset, but this information was outdated and ____ is what we're doing differently since that build."

    It's PR 101. Instead of talking to their community when they realize they're upset, they simply allow it to fester and get worse by the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Game hasn't release yet and things are subject to change. Seriously they shouldn't say anything and let people discover how it works upon release. One thing for sure there is no pleasing everyone.
    Agree, needs to be quiet so no spoilers, more discover. Hell i love discovering stuff myself not be always hey we get this or that. It also raises too much hype if info to early, it definitely would make me impatient, ect!
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    I believe we will see Balthier in Eorzea one day!

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