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    Serret's Avatar
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    If they are showing something, no matter how many disclaimers they add to it, it has to be somewhat representative of the final product. Otherwise their credibility comes into question.
    They kept pointing out that the potencies were not final, but the mechanics were supposedly representative. If this was not the case then every skill that was shown for every class might as well not even be there 2 weeks from now. After all "it's not the final version".


    Just as an example: The infamous e3 footage for Gearbox's Aliens Colonial Marines was also said not to be representative of the final version of the game ^^
    And in fact it wasn't. Leading to bait and switch remarks, to Gearbox having to deal with a massive backlash and leaving a huge stain in their reputation.
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serret View Post
    If they are showing something, no matter how many disclaimers they add to it, it has to be somewhat representative of the final product. Otherwise their credibility comes into question.
    They kept pointing out that the potencies were not final, but the mechanics were supposedly representative. If this was not the case then every skill that was shown for every class might as well not even be there 2 weeks from now. After all "it's not the final version".
    They did this so they could show of the basic design and play style to get community feedback, White Mage, before the actually product is launched.

    Here is something to think about. DRK in 3.0 Darkside was shown in the job action video but change right before launch. Nothing is set in stone.
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    Last edited by Dyvid; 06-06-2017 at 03:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serret View Post
    Just as an example: The infamous e3 footage for Gearbox's Aliens Colonial Marines was also said not to be representative of the final version of the game ^^
    And in fact it wasn't. Leading to bait and switch remarks, to Gearbox having to deal with a massive backlash and leaving a huge stain in their reputation.
    The Gearbox thing was quite a bit different though. Generally speaking, a game that looks marvelous during it's alpha/beta stages that then turns into a sloppy mess that doesn't even remotely deliver to what was hyped by the developing company itself, is reason for outcry. That's a No Man's Sky situation right there lol. Hiding the finished product behind the veil of praising words and old footage. Add to that the fact that A:CM was revealed to be outsourced pretty much from start to finish, with little to no time for internal QA, was enough reason for fans to be left with bitter feelings, as their product was essentially half assed in a way that made people feel stupid (i.e. cheated). It's understandable that people wouldn't trust a company after that fiasco that they put themselves in.
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    I think it would be better next time if they don't tell us anything until the game is released since people can't handle it. They kept saying things are under development and may change. Why would they go back and change broadcasted stuff when they are very busy and things may change again? We are luck we got as much informantion as we did but some people are still ungrateful. This is why everyone kept saying just wait until release. I'm really starting to feel bad for the developers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RukiaFae View Post
    I think it would be better next time if they don't tell us anything until the game is released since people can't handle it. They kept saying things are under development and may change. Why would they go back and change broadcasted stuff when they are very busy and things may change again? We are luck we got as much informantion as we did but some people are still ungrateful. This is why everyone kept saying just wait until release. I'm really starting to feel bad for the developers.
    I bet they've been working under crunch for 6+ months to boot. And if anyone doesn't know what crunch means in the game industry... https://kotaku.com/crunch-time-why-g...urs-1704744577
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    Expecting everybody to play the game the way you do is not a way to foster a pleasant experience for anybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Everyone know that the community is pretty frazzled currently. A lot of it has to do with the change to the battle system. One of the more contentious topics is the state of the White Mage job.

    According to:

    http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv299...op_onair&row=2
    https://freshlive.tv/ngc

    Cure II spawns a lily 100% of the time.

    Per Yoshida:

    Interesting side note: Yoshida said that the build shown at the media tour is from late April, so around a whole month old by the time the info was released, and he also said a lot of other things have changed since. "Please look at the patch notes."

    This brings up a very important topic. Developer communication. During the Live Letter XXXVI the developers stressed that the numbers discussed "Weren't the final numbers". They KNEW during the live letter that everything discussed wasn't accurate and they had known it for at least 3 weeks. Why did they continue to broadcast information they KNEW was inaccurate?

    THIS. NEEDS. TO. STOP.

    We can only go forth trusting that the information the developers give us is accurate. If we can't trust that information, what is the point of the Live Letters? All they had to do is call up the Battle Design team a day or two before the presentation and get the proper numbers and abilities. I understand presentations are made ahead of time, and a quick correction to the presentation would be all that is needed.

    They said the changes are not final and subject to change. However that does not mean we are going to sit here and say nothing. Commenting on the lilies with what we are currently shown gives them something to think about so it is hopefully better on release. They are doing fine, in regards of your complaint.
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    I find there is simultaneously both great and horrid developer communication. The frequent live letters are great for information, but the complete lack of two-way communication is unfortunate. I'd love to see more community reps interacting with forum threads and passing our thoughts to the devs, and the devs responses back towards us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    I find there is simultaneously both great and horrid developer communication. The frequent live letters are great for information, but the complete lack of two-way communication is unfortunate. I'd love to see more community reps interacting with forum threads and passing our thoughts to the devs, and the devs responses back towards us.
    This is also true, where are they anyway? You think they say SOMETHING about ping issues (and extension the coding issues that are attached to that), the large inventory thread.. and maybe.. comment on concerns people have for SB job balance? SCH AoE DPS? is it intended to see overall DPS decrease of jobs from these changes at 50 and 60 caps? the lily and healer issue? and lastly even maybe comment on the mog station prices or at least put all those threads in one?

    Was that all the major things as of late?
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    People want info,then complain about the info given. This is why we dont have nice things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    We can only go forth trusting that the information the developers give us is accurate. If we can't trust that information, what is the point of the Live Letters?
    It's a marketing piece to generate hype which it did. It's not an instructional manual to be dissected and scrutinized.

    There are some obvious issues, most specifically with WHM, but if you are trusting them why do you not trust that it's accurate that what's shown is subject to change. Seems so strange to hold them to their every word except the words where they say please don't hold us to every word. That's a terrible way to be in any relationship.
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