XIV on Switch and Xbox

[Tonkra]

Comes down to Power and what a system is able to access and load, Switch would struggle with Stormblood and we would be back to less inventory space, lol

If Yoshi thinks stormblood isnt possible on Switch he wouldnt take it into account.
He is not an amateur, so his hardware team.

Secondly: inventory space has nothing to do with the performance of a system.. moreover of server capacities.
Such bullshit..

Thirdly: the Nintendo Switch has MUCH more RAM than the PS3 .. and RAM is the most important thing for a MMorpg.
That was the major issue the team of Yoshida talked about when they worked on the PS3 version of FFXIV back then and why they made the zones smaller. And in the end also why they dropped the PS3 version.

RAM comparison PS3 <> Nintendo Switch:

PS3 RAM: 256 MB DDR3
Switch: 4 GB RAM LPDDR4

in short words: the PS3 is an old horse vs the Switch Handheld.

HUGE difference.. The Switch is technically in between of PS3 / PS4. And im sure the switch could run FFXIV Stormblood without any problems, but maybe not on highest settings if you want 30-60 fps thats for sure. But that wouldnt cause any limitations for the other plattforms. The graphics engine stays the same and we wont get back to the graphics detail of "1.0." (before ARR) where a flower pot contained over 1000 polygons alone.(the polygon amount of a NPC)



To that detail we wont ever get back. First: they would need to re-do all old regions (which would be like developing a new game) and secondly: they want to have a MMORPG that everyone can play on their shitty old ass PC's, just like WoW

And as i said just stop that bullshit bashing around the Switch as shown in the technical facts the Nintendo Switch is much powerful than the PS3.. especially when it comes to RAM (PS3 250MB DDR3 vs Switch 4GB LPDDR4 RAM) - the most important thing for a MMorpg.

Additionally FFXIV would run on a flash drive which result in shorter loading times etc.

[ReplicaX]

PS3 RAM: 256 MB DDR3
Switch: 4GB RAM LPDDR4

HUGE difference..

If you are gonna continue to edit the crap out of your post, change fonts and bold stuff, at least have the correct specs:

PS3: 256MB XDR RAM - System, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM
Switch: 4GB LPDDR4 (Unified/shared between the CPU and GPU)

If you are going to mention YoshiP's talk on PS3 Development and its challenges, it was more that just system memory.

Nintendo's direct competitors are 8GB or more, not using LPDDR, and their console specs will have a longer cycle with the title.

[Tonkra]

If you are gonna continue to edit the crap out of your post, change fonts and bold stuff, at least have the correct specs:

PS3: 256MB XDR RAM - System, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM
Switch: 4GB LPDDR4 (Unified/shared between the CPU and GPU)

Aye right... that makes the Switch obviously slower than a PS3 with 256 MB RAM... not..

And even its Tegra X1 graphics core is the more powerful GPU

If you are going to mention YoshiP's talk on PS3 Development and its challenges, it was more that just system memory.

I play FFXIV since version 1.0. and i watched many videos back then and interviews on the ARR development and YEs... it was THE major issue on PS3.

and their console specs will have a longer cycle with the title.

The game itself wont improve much when it comes to graphics, the environment will stay as low polygon as it is right now. As i said we wont ever go back to 1.0. graphics quality. There is not such a revamp in MMorpg history - and i play MMorpgs since 2000..

and if you havent recognized it yet: the support of PS3 is already gone. Which means the ""full power"" of PS4 and PC is already used in stormblood.

They just dropped PS3 support to get rid of some limitations, they wouldn't want to bring said limitations back with consoles like the Xbox One or Nintendo Switch.

And you do know that XBox one and PS4 arent away from each other worlds apart?

And if they would implement a Switch version do you think they would "limit" stormblood, cutting it into small zones in order to run on the switch? Like you say "bring back limitations"

The people's thoughts and logic seems very endless...

[Amnesiac]

@Tonkra - I don't know what you based your assumptions on my "logic" about, but you need to chill out my dude. Square wants to move forward with their MMO, thus it wouldn't make sense to place the game on a mobile platform like the Switch, nor would it make much sense to have FFXIV on the Xbox One with the Scorpio project launching this holiday season. I realize the Xbox One and PS4 are the same gen; I play on both platforms. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the next 5-10 years, PS4 support is dropped so the game can expand even further. Do you think a game like World of Warcraft could be played on consoles? I mean, come on, people.

[enthauptet]

nor would it make much sense to have FFXIV on the Xbox One with the Scorpio project launching this holiday season. I realize the Xbox One and PS4 are the same gen; I play on both platforms. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the next 5-10 years, PS4 support is dropped so the game can expand even further.

The Xbox One already got upgraded from Windows 8 to Windows 10 so the new one will just be another hardware update, the base OS will more than likely be essentially the same so actually it would be pretty worthwhile to develop for it since it shares a similar platform with a regular desktop pc (essentially).

It is funny how people say Sony is more open with SE than MS is, but MS is waaaaay more open with their console development platorm than Sony has ever been. (development and business deals are separate but this always struck me as kind of funny)

[Kosmos992k]

The Xbox One already got upgraded from Windows 8 to Windows 10 so the new one will just be another hardware update, the base OS will more than likely be essentially the same so actually it would be pretty worthwhile to develop for it since it shares a similar platform with a regular desktop pc (essentially).

It is funny how people say Sony is more open with SE than MS is, but MS is waaaaay more open with their console development platorm than Sony has ever been.

Seriously? ROTFLMAO!

[enthauptet]

Seriously? ROTFLMAO!

Do you just sit around and troll?

[Jetstream_Fox]

It is funny how people say Sony is more open with SE than MS is, but MS is waaaaay more open with their console development platorm than Sony has ever been. (development and business deals are separate but this always struck me as kind of funny)

What did I just read?

[Kosmos992k]

Aye right... that makes the Switch obviously slower than a PS3 with 256 MB RAM... not..

And even its Tegra X1 graphics core is the more powerful GPU

No. The GPU on the SoC used for the Switch is not more powerful, the number of units it actually contains is relatively low, and unless you are only quoting the half precision FLOP numbers which are special case measures of performance, not general measures of GPU performance, the Switch GPU is not more powerful. Yes, it's a much more recent architecture than RSX, but the raw numbers are not on your side on this one. Relatively speaking switch is approximately as powerful as a PS3, but comparing like with like shows the false nature of most comparisons made. For the PS3 you need to factor in the single precision FP capability of the Cell BE in addition to the capability of the RSX (which was intended to supplement the RSX), and for the Switch you need to ignore the half precision performance numbers because they are not generally applicable and focus instead on the Single precision performance.

[Kyuuen]

Aye right... that makes the Switch obviously slower than a PS3 with 256 MB RAM... not..

And even its Tegra X1 graphics core is the more powerful GPU

I'd hate to break it to you, but the Switch and the PS3 have the exact same Memory Bandwidth at 25.6 Gbps despite the Switch having more memory. It's not just about how much memory you have, but also the speeds that memory is running.

Pound for pound, the Switch might pull ahead of a PS3 a bit, but is by no means comparable to PS4 or Xbox One let alone the Pro or a PC. We're dropping a bad system for the game, no sense in picking up another bad system for the game.