Warrior and paying for skills the other two use for free, among other thoughts

[Cabalabob]

He does seem to be happy about rampart, I wonder how all these changes will effect the man mood videos ha gona be sad if the a12s one was the last all tank party will get to see

With clemency becoming cheaper and royal authority comboing off riot blade now, PLDs can basically rep a healer so I'm sure his all "tank" runs will be fine.

[Tovaras]

If Xenosys Vex started screaming his head off about WAR utility in Stormblood I might be concerned.

I guess the difference is I don't need Xeno to make my mind up for me? You can't tell something is bad without being spoonfed? Can I put it on a fork instead on how the stance dance mechanic is terrible, clunky gameplay?

[Dement]

PLD as has been released is the exception in that it does seem to offer a fair bit of utility through Intervention. I'll admit that I'm not really completely up to date on the DRK changes, I've read through them but I don't play DRK so I can't really say anything for certain. With that said, what utility do you believe that DRK offers that WAR doesn't? This is a legitimate question and not meant in a snarky manner as I don't readily know.

The only party utility that WAR lost was the Path debuff which was really good for progression but once a fight was known by your team, there was little reason to use it. Now there is always a reason to use Path if the opportunity is there and you don't need to reapply Eye. WAR still offers the slashing debuff which I know that NIN and SAM will have 100% uptime of it now but not every composition will have a NIN or a SAM in it.

Stance dancing is more clunky now but it raises the bar on how to tactically stance dance. Properly utilizing it will be the difference between good and bad WARs. It just requires you to know the fight and when you need to have your gauge depleted to shift stance or if the MT goes down, making a judgment call of if you can gain/hold hate and survive in Deliverance until you can deplete the gauge to an acceptable level.

[Tovaras]

DRK has The Blackest Night which is basically their version of Intervention. They can use it on themselves as a 20% shield or a 10% shield on another target and get 50 Blood when it pops. Moreso, both PLD Sheltron/Intervention/Passage of Arms and DRK TBN can be used while OTing in their DPS stances. A WAR has to be in Defiance to use Inner Beast and they can't give it to another team member.

Path debuff wasn't the only utility lost, though it was a large one, a possible 100% uptime 10% damage down debuff. There was no reason to not have it on the boss, prog, farm or speedrun. WAR also lost their aggro opener by having Release added on to the cooldown timer of Unchained. No one in their right mind would give up a Release for an Unchained. Adding on to aggro utility changes, Butcher isn't their highest enmity combo so they're no longer the tank that can hold aggro while DPSing either. So really all they're left with is Slashing debuff which, as you've said, will be an easy application for NIN or SAM. Slashing debuff is a change I'm happy to see.

[bounddreamer]

I guess the difference is I don't need Xeno to make my mind up for me? You can't tell something is bad without being spoonfed? Can I put it on a fork instead on how the stance dance mechanic is terrible, clunky gameplay?

The subtlety went over your head, so here you go: YOUR opinion means nothing to me. I might be more concerned if an endgame raider whose opinion I trust was expressing concern.

Since I haven't actually played it myself yet, I have yet to form an opinion on whether it's "terrible, clunky gameplay." From what I've seen so far, I'm not ready to doomsay.

[Liyonn]

If Xenosys Vex started screaming his head off about WAR utility in Stormblood I might be concerned. But as it stands, I'm just excited to get in there and get my hands on it.

What makes Xeno's opinion more valuable than that of another Warriors? We all play the same job. Just because he takes the time to create a video guide for Warrior doesn't make him any more of an expert than any other warriors who play at a high level. I've been playing warrior at an end-game level since 2.1, cleared Creator savage months before echo was added. Just LOOK at what Warrior has in it's tool kit please. Tell me what kind of Party Utility that Warriors bring to the table that other jobs do not? Literally only a self esuna every so often. No fight will EVER be designed in a way that would specifically require Shake It Off. So we can't ever assume that it'll get serious use. It'll just save a healer's gcd. Good in a sense but that's all it does. Means 1 more Stone IV. Whoopdyflippindo. Warrior has lost any and all self identifying features beyond it's Fell Cleave. It lost it's signature burst to Paladin in the form of berserk change to 30%. It has lost it's incredibly useful (for ANY content) raid-wide 10% damage mitigation. It lost it's signature slashing debuff to Nin and Sam (which we all are glad for). And it gained nothing in exchange. Absolutely nothing.

If you aren't screaming in rage by now you can't call yourself a Warrior. There's literally no reason to take a warrior now. Other than "oh because I feel like it", we bring nothing to the table. We have nothing to offer our 7 other teammates. We're like what Monks were in 3.0. I don't want to feel like dead weight to my party for playing a job I enjoy. I don't want to feel that if I played another Job we'd be performing better as a team. No one wants to be the jerk that holds the group back, Warriors as of right now are just that. I pray it's not so on release but what if it is?

[Tovaras]

The subtlety went over your head, so here you go: YOUR opinion means nothing to me. I might be more concerned if an endgame raider whose opinion I trust was expressing concern.

Since I haven't actually played it myself yet, I have yet to form an opinion on whether it's "terrible, clunky gameplay." From what I've seen so far, I'm not ready to doomsay.

So the feelings mutual then. Let me know when MRHAPPY VEX makes a "warrior's guide to why stance dancing sucks in 4.0" for you and you can regurgitate their video back to me.

[Hakane_Mitsu]

What makes Xeno's opinion more valuable than that of another Warriors? We all play the same job.

Except he can actually play the class to it's potential compared to 95%+ of all the warriors.

[AristocraticCorgi]

What makes Xeno's opinion more valuable than that of another Warriors? We all play the same job.

It just so happens that he is one of the top warriors in the entire game. He knows about tanking what a Ph.D. in physics would know about quantum mechanics.

Do you argue with a Ph.D. in physics about quantum mechanics with your B.A. in creative writing?

[bounddreamer]

It just so happens that he is one of the top warriors in the entire game. He knows about tanking what a Ph.D. in physics would know about quantum mechanics.

Do you argue with a Ph.D. in physics about quantum mechanics with your B.A. in creative writing?

Basically, this.

As well as the fact that Stormblood isn't out yet, we don't know what it has in store, we don't know how hard things will hit, everything shown was advertised repeatedly as still being in development and subject to change, and I'm just plain sick of all this "sky is falling" crying forum b.s.

"If you aren't screaming in rage by now you can't call yourself a Warrior."

You don't get to decide that for anyone but yourself.