Warrior and paying for skills the other two use for free, among other thoughts

[Derio]

DRK lost 3 abilities to role actions all of them except 1 which got nerfed. PLD lost several skills to role actions, but didn't completely lose any skills that aren't available via role actions. PLD also is the only tank who did not lose their stun. When it would have made more sense balance wise to just put WAR and DRK stun on GCD.

PLD has the most skill bloat and IMO the tank jobs didn't have skill bloat like the dps since many were just mitigation tools.

It will be interesting to see if they make any changes to tanks.

[Synestra]

cooldown availability warrior is still hands down the best by a mile

With this in mind my prediction is that most optimal tank duo might be WAR+PLD, WAR's short to medium CD's combined with PLD support CD's there will be always cooldown ready for TB's unless they are more frequent that previously.

[LazyC]

^^ End of story.

its not the end of story if you actually had a brain, Warrior lost litterally all of its utility so what the hell else besides DPS would a warrior even care about then? dont be stupid, its obvious warriors are the Samurai of the 3 tanks but our actual damage isnt even remotely far enough above PLD or DRK to make this true at all.

also anyone who keeps trying to justify Shake It Off are kidding themselves, they will never design a fight around a single skill any job has because then if you dont have said job in your group than it was be a shitty mechanic to deal with which Sqaure will never do

[Takamorisan]

The eternal struggle with WAR design philosophy...

Some people fail to see that the WAR meta will always be an offensive one, since 1.0. From Steel Cyclone crits healing, to be a gimped tank in 2.0 that relied on heavy hits to sustain his HP pool and then Fell Cleaves bring dps to push content faster.

The utility here is obvious for me at least, we need more damage to justify our presence in raids, so the toolkit needs to collaborate, by removing stance penalty costing 0 gauge to do it, separate unchained from inner release shared CD, improve storm path potency to be equal as butcher's block, you still need to use BB to hold agro in case you are tanking so no biggie with this change. As for the retarded elephant in the room called Shake it Off, make it a War cry that does a party wide defensive utility since its the purpose of the CD itself.

[Reynhart]

War got berserk, pld got fof and requiescat.

WAR also has Storm's Eye as a permanent 20% damage increase.

War lost bloodbath, mercy stroke and foresight with no equivalent to them (except for foresight, we got rampart) pld still has everything.

We all lost Bloodbath, Mercy Stroke and Foresight. And PLD lost Stoneskin.

[Baci]

WAR also has Storm's Eye as a permanent 20% damage

And PLD has higher potencies

[vigioX-Sun]

The war is broken , shatter, not matter how you look at it he got nothing compared to his competition.

Lost utility
damage
Skills
identify
No flexibility an ultra penalize on tank stance change
Is broken is not even the shadow of what is was, the job was downgrade in every possible way, ppl got blind by the 6 fell Cleve showcase.
They took what feel good about it an remove it for some unknown reason..the job feels rushed an untested. .

[Reynhart]

A little question to professional WARs out there.

It you're in a situation where you can keep Deliverance for the whole fight, how does WAR compare to its former self, and to the other tanks ?

[OcieKo]

Starting with (pld needs no nerfs) you literally have no idea what every tank has or does, let's make it quick, war has 8 actions gated behind the gauge that gets halved by stance swapping, pld got 2 actions that they don't need most of the time like war. War got berserk, pld got fof and requiescat. War lost bloodbath, mercy stroke and foresight with no equivalent to them (except for foresight, we got rampart) pld still has everything. And no matter what you say, shake it off is useless unless they design a fight with forced bad breath for tanks

Requiescat buff only applies to 2 abilities for exactly as long as it takes to drain a mana bar spam casting, any substantial dodge cuts its bonus by about 20%. And I was taking Fight or Flight, Berserk, and Darkside to be roughly equivilent. Ive found plenty of uses for Shelltron and Interject, maybe I'm just not greedy enough to think that something that isn't more dmg for me is useful. I'd say Interject and The Blackest Night are hindered more by being ready when their useful on allies more than they are by being allegedly "usually unnecessary".
Bloodbath, given that your likely using Storm's Path waaay more often now, probably where your redeeming some of this lost self healing (how does the loss of self healing and the gain of self cleanse both bother you. Shouldn't it be one or the other?)
Could also argue that WAR is the only tank with its own TP recovery, personally I'd say it makes sense because PLD and DRK can make use of MP for a short bit to get a few ticks of TP regen in if they need to, which WAR can't, but maybe I'm just crazy and everyone should have access to it. (Before someone freaks out, I think it's fine the way it is, even if a PLD can melt TP with Total Eclipse, still dont actually NEED a personal TP regen.)
And what is with this concept of "why should I have to value cleansing myself when someone else can do it" garbage, a mechanic that automatically gives multiple cleansable debuffs already exists in SB that not a Morbol type breath. Being able to OGCD cleanse it ASAP is useful. What your saying is equivalent to saying Esuna is only useful for cleansing Doom...
And seriously... Mercy Stroke... a tiny dmg long cooldown only usable on a fraction of the fight maybe twice if its slow, bringing this into the equation... This is about as valid to me as Spirit's Within losing it's silence, which is to say not at all.

Heard dropping or applying Grit applies the same halving to the DRKs gauge, can someone confirm or deny this for me. And pretty sure I'm not crazy here, but you pretty much have to do nothing special to fill beast guage aside from continuing your rotation as normal, correct?

DRK lost 3 abilities to role actions all of them except 1 which got nerfed. PLD lost several skills to role actions, but didn't completely lose any skills that aren't available via role actions. PLD also is the only tank who did not lose their stun. When it would have made more sense balance wise to just put WAR and DRK stun on GCD.

PLD has the most skill bloat and IMO the tank jobs didn't have skill bloat like the dps since many were just mitigation tools.

It will be interesting to see if they make any changes to tanks.

Yep, it feels bloated atm too. Just trying to find enough convenient keybinds is getting tricky. Feels pretty bloated compared to AST and SAM which I've also gotten up so far. Thankfully reworking the combo muscle memory is progressing, tho I sometimes still try to Savage Blade > Royal Authority.
Do Warrior and Dark Knight even want a high TP cost, GCD, combo interrupting stun tho? I finally moved mine to a less convenient location because my need for it is pretty low.

[Umbeliel]

A little question to professional WARs out there.

It you're in a situation where you can keep Deliverance for the whole fight, how does WAR compare to its former self, and to the other tanks ?

Still hella janky.

Assuming absolutely nothing goes wrong, the rotation is ridiculously tight compared to what it was. The rotation in general was flipped completely on it's head, and if you mess up at all it's pretty easy to be on the wrong step of your rotation and suddenly you're missing cleaves- kind of similar to 3.0 dragoon I guess. It's tiresome and not what I signed up for. Our defensive capability is more or less the same, but the lifesteal being gone feels really really weird. Equilibrium is still kind of not really a very good option for snap enmity because of the swap cost. Pulling in deliverance is possible at equal gear levels to your party but early on it's really screwy and you're just gonna have a bad time. Inner Release... I never asked for this. Six cleaves is a meme, not fun.