Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

[Alphras]

Hang on ok? PLD mains were not boycotting the job at 3.x right? Just because your favorite job gets a little weaker? than before (has to be demonstrated btw). All Pld mains endured this crap for about 2 years now.

This doesn't have anything to do with a job getting weaker. As it seems WAR will still be very strong and likely have the best self mitigation of all three tanks. DMG we will see, but I am pretty sure that the release version will be tuned in a way that WARs will be the top dps in most situations, considering the non existing support options. The main problem is that the new skills are just seemingly boring and two seem dead on arrival (which they wanted to address with the new expansion).

Just playing around fell cleave doesn't seem to exciting too.

Edit: "Boycotting" a job is of course a strange thought.

[MomoOG]

Fotm players trying to find new fotm. Shocking.

[aleph_null]

From what I've seen, I highly doubt warrior in 4.0 will be as bad as paladin in a4s. It may not be optimal but it probably wouldn't matter for most non-hardcore raiders. The more serious groups' tanks would simply gear all the tank jobs and switch around depending on necessity (hopefully the raid gears will be role locked instead of job locked). Boycotting or kicking warriors from your group would just be like those farm PFs who lock non meta jobs out.

[Venjenz]

Fotm players trying to find new fotm. Shocking.

Perzactly.

And every month, it's a new flavor. I am sticking with WAR. The FotM fairy will circle back around to us, no doubt in my mind.

[Ghald]

Dev team: I've heard you like Fell Cleave, so I let you have an extra Fell Cleave after a double Fell Cleave then have those Fell Cleaves multiply by two, enjoy.

In all seriousness, it's not 'power' that I'm concern about it's the identity of the Warrior job. It used to be a very intuitive job, fun to play, now it's all muddied up. Sure Rampart being a tank skill now make WAR a closer tank to that of PLD/DRK but we are not those tanks, WAR flavour has been to combine our defence with offence that's why we have less mitigation utility than PLD, if I wanted to play a traditional tank job then I would play PLD because they are the king of mitigation.

What WAR are getting now is not a good trade off with what they lost. PLD looks good now(and that's a great thing), DRK seems to been brought up to make it less of chore, WAR? We get to Fell Cleave, Fell Cleave, Fell Cleave, Fell Cleave, Fell Cleave, Fell Cleave, we got a lot of Fell Cleaves so much so that it's jaded and what do we bring to the table for party utility? Hey I like my Fell Cleave but even the best food taste stale after so many servings.

"Boycotting" as in not using WAR job or leveling it, that is not to say that I would kick a WAR from my party, if you like WAR as it is then fine, why even waste your time going through these topic, this is for those that concern about the identity of WAR being lost after so many of it skills being removed or given to another jobs and locked us out of it.

Most likely at the end of the day I would still level WAR to Lv.70 but it will be the last thing I'll do, untill then I know that they have reduced the tank population by 1 + who ever share my concern and I'll be jumping to the DPS boat.

[Venjenz]

if you like WAR as it is then fine, why even waste your time going through these topic

I waste my time with these topics to offer a different viewpoint of people playing WAR who also recognize how flavors of the month change every month. I think the reality of playing WAR won't change much, and eventually, the FotM will land on us. Figure you start from a slight nerf while PLD got buffed. OK, play on I say, because the dev cycle will eventually buff WAR somehow and you'll be that much better at the job having played during their nerfed period. And really, it will only make a difference in bleeding edge raiding, maybe, depending on how serious FCs get with meta. I don't disagree that it feels more bland and further from what drew me to the job, but rather than boycott, I'll play on to show SE they won't chase me off my first job!

[Lesan]

As if the majority of WAR players focused on anything BUT Fell Cleave during HW.....seen enough 'I can't MT, only played OT, also, I deal more DPS' Warriors in the past.....always a 'nam Flashback including Adagio for Strings when I had to heal one of those.

[konpachizaraki]

as good as war was in 3.x they weren't dominant to the point of filling the dual tank spot in most raid group
something that probably gonna happen to PLD considering they're much better now and the other 2 tanks are going backwards

[Bourne_Endeavor]

as good as war was in 3.x they weren't dominant to the point of filling the dual tank spot in most raid group
something that probably gonna happen to PLD considering they're much better now and the other 2 tanks are going backwards

Actually, they were to an extent. Double Warrior would have prevailed if it weren't for the impact on the LB gauge.

As for the changes themselves, I remain the fence. Warrior needed some of its mitigation tools nerfed. They could simply beast through everything. It's more than a little absurd when I can eat a tank buster and self heal 50% of my own HP. Healing in this game is already overpowered. Better not to make it any easier. The stance dancing could be a sore spot, though I suspect it won't necessarily impact people as much as one might think. At least while raiding. If Omega has the same difficulty curve Creator did, we'll be Deliverance tanking fairly soon anyway. I'll admit, the smoothness of swapping will absolutely be missed though.

[Launched]

Actually, they were to an extent. Double Warrior would have prevailed if it weren't for the impact on the LB gauge.

No, it really wouldn't have. DRK is incredibly strong, it did about the same DPS as WAR and brought a lot more raidwide mitigation through Delirium+Reprisal (and Delirium meant you didn't need a MNK either). Even PLD brought Divine Veil. Doubling up on WARs brought nothing that a single WAR couldn't do. WAR was only autoinclude because PLD+DRK is a horrible composition even when you pretend WAR doesn't exist, so you'll only want whichever of the two is stronger.