Thread: Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

To be honest, I'm more than happy with current Warrior.
And before defending my point of view, lemme say something.
Maybe, and I'll repeat, MAYBE, one of the reasons we feel so hurt or bad at the moment (we or you, as I'm not feeling weak at all) is because we were so insanely strong in Heavensward. Denying it would be lying really hard after all. We were not strong, but incredibly strong, and everyone knew it.
Having been on the top or even god-tier for a whole expansion is making it feel the new changes even more.

However, I personally don't feel them like bad changes. Just it's a new way of playing WAR and gotta get used to it. (1)

1) Onslaught and Upheaval: I find that having a BG cost is fair. First of all, yes, DRK have a no-cost dash, but PLD does not have one on the other hand. We do have one and hella fast and hella cool I must say. It does damage and has increased enmity, and, in case you haven't noticed, it's a lot faster than Plunge, by far. It's almost instant. With Upheaval I find myself with a 30s skill that hits hard (300 potency at full HP) for only 20BG and ignoring Defiance penaly. That means that it's 15 Potency for every BG point. Fell Cleave is 10 Potency for every BG point. Yes, it has no CD, but come on, it's a hard-hitting ability, incredibly cool-looking and ignores Defiance penalty, what helps a lot while tanking. In addition, as someone said in another topic, having 20BG cost helps with our BG management. With 2 combos giving 20BG and one giving 30BG, having two abilities consuming 20BG helps giving some depth to our rotation and management, what makes the job more interesting. (2)

2) Regarding Stance swap: Yes, I recognize it's a pain to lose 50% our BG when we swap. However, on the other hand, I feel like it is encouraging me to play using my brain a little since I know I will lose some BG. This makes me enjoy the dungeons or trials, having to think about how much BG I have and will generate so the cost of my skills synchronize. It's a shame we lose 50% of our BG, but same happens to PLD, I like to see it as a new way to play my class and one that does require a bit of brain usage.

3) Losing Bloodbath: Yes, I felt this one too. A lot, but, come on, god-tier AoE pulls? Not even fair. However, I too must say I'm finding no issues at the moment without it. Pulling 2x or 3x pulls, using CDs in sequence and with the help and heal of Equilibrium, plus the heal of Inner Beast and Storm's Path I'm able to survive perfectly and do a lot of damage.(3)

4) Infuriate only in combat: For this one I have nothing to say. It's a bad desing and I hope it gets hotfixed to be able to use it outside combat to for prepulls. Infuriate -> Berserk -> Onslaught -> Overpower -> Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Storm's Eye -> Steel Cyclone would be perfect and easier for AoE pulls.

5) And finally, I'm still only 64, almost 65, but I can only dream about the moment I'll get my hands on Inner Release and Fell Cleave x 6 or anything x 6, that will be so awesome the orgasms won't stop for a week.

After all, what I want to say, is that I really understand that you feel hurt and even betrayed by SE, but I don't feel like WAR is in a bad state, we still have a lot of damage, now even mobility. For me it's just a matter to overcome what we have left and learn to enjoy and use what we have been given. SB WAR is not HW WAR and as so, we should learn to play and enjoy it. Classes change, we must change too.

Originally Posted by Achelon

Yes, I recognize it's a pain to lose 50% our BG when we swap.

Why does no one acknowledge how awesome it is to be able to build 100 instead of complaining than you can not have more than what IB requres after swap (Which was always th case) ? Now, you can naturally do 2 Fell Cleaves back to back. And also, you can build Gauge faster than before with Storm's Path.

Originally Posted by Achelon

4) Infuriate only in combat: For this one I have nothing to say. It's a bad desing and I hope it gets hotfixed to be able to use it outside combat to for prepulls.

The thing is, prepulls are painful. Having to wait 45 seconds for a WAR to do its trick is boring as hell. Even NIN got something to remove the 23s prepulls. Besides, by the time you start your opener, you basically didn't let anyone put their buffs and debuffs, meaning that the first GCDs on your berserk window will be weak.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

Why does no one acknowledge how awesome it is to be able to build 100 instead of complaining than you can not have more than what IB requres after swap (Which was always th case) ? Now, you can naturally do 2 Fell Cleaves back to back. And also, you can build Gauge faster than before with Storm's Path.

This isn't new. I did the Triple Fell Cleave opener 90% of the time throughout Heavensward. People are complaining because Warrior went from a fantastic job to one now languishing behind Paladin. For all the talk of how Warrior was too strong. Have y'all seen Paladin? It makes Warrior and Dark Knight look like complete jokes. All the swap cost does is encourage even more players to switch to Deliverance faster and stay in it longer.

The thing is, prepulls are painful. Having to wait 45 seconds for a WAR to do its trick is boring as hell. Even NIN got something to remove the 23s prepulls. Besides, by the time you start your opener, you basically didn't let anyone put their buffs and debuffs, meaning that the first GCDs on your berserk window will be weak.

... that isn't how a good pre-pull works. In Heavenward, my Triple Cleave lined up perfectly fine with Machinist's Hypercharge and Ninja's Trick Attack. I just delayed my second Cleave a little. I don't actually mind this change though.

Originally Posted by Launched

Please don't make up these kinds of arguments when there have been pages of valid complaints. No one is saying we want to be overpowered, we're saying SB WAR feels much worse and has nothing to offer a group while PLD got huge buffs (despite the gap between tanks not being that huge) and even DRK got some utility.

I'm not making those arguments to provoke a fight, yes, there has been several comments with good ideas and complaints, but a lot of 'em has been in the end just a "we are not the same tank that in HW and we are behind PLD now". There will always be a tank behind another. And sincerely, I don't see the WAR current state to be so bad that everyone is making a fuss and even saying that PLD will be the go-to now.

If we want to compare our current sitaution, let's do it against first week of Heavensward, not last month of the expansion, with everyone full 270, perfect stats and able to split in two anyone with our mighty axes.