Healer dps in stormblood.

[Kassyna]

I have been looking at the potency value of dps skill of healers in stormblood and found out that in many case the DOT portion of our DPS will now be a DPS lost to cast them.


Lets start with SCH.

Here the total potency of base rotation skill of SCH.
Miasma = 300 potency over 24 sec
Bio 2 = 350 potency over 30 sec
Broil 2 = 230 potency

That mean miasma have to be on the target for at least 21 sec and Bio 2 at least 24 sec to be a dps gain over Broil 2.
So on most trash mob it will be better to ignore your DOTs and just spam Broil 2.
Don't think about using Bane with the massive nerf it received, you'll do more dps manually dotting the targets that will live long enough and spam Broil 2 on the rest.
Simply remove Bane from your bar and forget it ever existed.



For WHM...

Aero 2 = 250 potency over 12 sec
Aero 3 = 370 potency over 24 sec (per target)
Stone 4 = 260 potency

That mean Aero 2 is ALWAYS a dps loss to Stone 4. Just remove it from your bar when you get Stone 4.
Aero 3 remain pretty strong since it is an AOE and is stronger than SCH DOTs even in single target since it need to stay only 18 sec or more to be a dps gain over Stone 4.



And AST..

Combust 2 = 450 over 30 sec
Malefic 3 = 210 potency

Combust 2 is the strongest single target DOT and only need to stay on for 15 sec to be a DPS gain over Malefic 3.
But that's the only dot AST have now and Malefic 3 have the lowest potency of the healer's nuke.




So my question to SE is : Are Healer supposed to DPS in stormblood?
All 3 healers now end up with lower dps than in Heavensward and our DOTs have become increasingly weaker.
In many case, especially for SCH and WHM, it will be now better to simply spam our main nuke and ignore our DOTs.

[Kaurie]

For WHM...

Aero 2 = 250 potency over 12 sec
Aero 3 = 370 potency over 24 sec (per target)
Stone 4 = 260 potency

That mean Aero 2 is ALWAYS a dps loss to Stone 4. Just remove it from your bar when you get Stone 4.
Aero 3 remain pretty strong since it is an AOE and is stronger than SCH DOTs even in single target since it need to stay only 18 sec or more to be a dps gain over Stone 4.

All 3 healers now end up with lower dps than in Heavensward and our DOTs have become increasingly weaker.

How does WHM end up with lower DPS? They have a stronger Stone now & their assize both heals and DPSes at the same time & they can spam holy's without MP loss with Thin Air. Seems like some DPS buffs to me.

[MsTanya]

I just wanted to add in that aero 2 is 18 seconds not 12 according to gameplay footage from the media tour so its still worth using over stone IV if its not already ticking.

[Kassyna]

If Aero 2 is really 18 sec then yeah it is a dps gain since it need only 15 sec to beat Stone 4.
I got the data for the skills here (Japanese) : https://www.famitsu.com/news/201705/...4.html?page=12

[MsTanya]

Yeah a lot of those tooltips are a little wonky. It seems they took the duration of aero 1 with aero 2s potency. Shadowflare also seems to be wrong since the gameplay footage shows it as 15s uptime, not 30 as stated in those tooltips.

[Kassyna]

How does WHM end up with lower DPS? They have a stronger Stone now & their assize both heals and DPSes at the same time & they can spam holy's without MP loss with Thin Air. Seems like some DPS buffs to me.

I only included the base rotation skill since spell like assize have long cooldown so they have minimal impact on the overall dps. In burst situation I agree healer are probably stronger, but fights are designed for sustain dps and not burst dps.

And while I agree that we have stronger nuke, the point of my post is to show the weakness of our DOTs

[KDSilver]

I wonder, will it really be better to cast dot manually on every mob for scholar?
We're losing the time of each gcd.

[LegoTechnic]

Yeah a lot of those tooltips are a little wonky. It seems they took the duration of aero 1 with aero 2s potency. Shadowflare also seems to be wrong since the gameplay footage shows it as 15s uptime, not 30 as stated in those tooltips.

Everything is subject to change, but the tooltips posted in the Famitsu write-up are the most recent and accurate info we have available. A lot of the tooltips in the gameplay videos from San Francisco are dated.

Things are still subject to change, but we work with what we have.

[LegoTechnic]

I wonder, will it really be better to cast dot manually on every mob for scholar?
We're losing the time of each gcd.

No. What they meant is that if there's something like 3-4 mobs, you may want to cast dots on one or two enemies that aren't being attacked and then broil spam a prime target. This is because mobs die so quickly that even if you spread bane the dots don't have enough time to tick their damage away, meaning they can't do their damage, and worse yet if you DID bane and the mob that dies first is one with a 100% dot effect then that's tear-jerking. In trash pulls 24 seconds is sometimes an eternity for a mook monster.

[bswpayton]

But we lose the ability to stack dots as well as they auto upgrade by level, so yes all healers are losing dps in sb, whm will have aero 2, aero3, stone 4, they lose aero one at level 70 and 60 i believe, astro losing , combust one , once they get combust 2, and scholar is losing a dot as well. So it seems like dps is def gona take an overall nerf from healers and tanks