A word to lvl 60 crafters who don't quite understand crafting yet

[Caimie_Tsukino]

After being away for about a year, I came back to check things out. Then I saw these:
scrub crafter needs help pls
"Sorry I dont mean to be rude but I asked if anyone knew of any crafting rotations not a calculator for me to figure it out on my own. Like I said im a scrub I got my crafts to 60 through leves Ixal, and Moogle beast tribes i barely know anything, and yes ive tried asking ppl in my fc but ppl are always busy."
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...needs-help-pls

Please help need macro for leves for Lvl 50-60
"Can somebody please give me macros for lvl 50to 60 for leves i really need one for crafting or can somebody plz redirect me to somebody who has macro for lvlv 50 to 60"
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-for-Lvl-50-60

So I thought to myself... Really? Is this what the crafting community is becoming? All the new comers are sitting at level 60, but they don't even know how to craft? Well, we can't blame them alone as Moogle and Ixali Beast Quests really kind of "killed" their process of learning. Perhaps it's time to refresh everyone's mind here, especially for those who got all-60 crafter classes but not knowing what the buttons do yet...

Crafting is a bit different from battle classes... e.g. if you somehow acquired a lvl 60 Summoner class, you can just copy a maximized DPS rotation from the web, and then practice it a million times and be good. End-game crafting doesn't work that way!

If you really just want macros, here you go and be my guest. These are all my macros:
http://ffxivrealm.com/threads/caimie...lection.16147/
If you have the stats, sure, you can macro most things.

But if you really wanna learn how to craft, you might wanna check this out:
http://ffxivrealm.com/threads/advice...he-spot.15347/

If you need help with understanding how to utilize each skill in a rotation, you can check out Chapter 10 of my very old guide back in 2015 in ARR:
http://ffxivrealm.com/xz-articles/ff...ie-tsukino.39/
Read Chapter 11 and 12 as well to learn how to create your own rotations and utilize conditions.

Perhaps you may want to slowly learn what each button does first, formulate some combos, and eventually develop your own rotation. Also, please learn how to utilize the Good and Excellent conditions. Learn how to bait them as well. These are all the things that are actually FUN at end-game crafting. What's the point of being a Summoner, if you can just press a single button and get the job done? Similarly, the fun of crafting doesn't come from copying macros. It comes from understanding everything inside-out, and then formulate your own rotations and create your own macros. Sure, at first, you may need to copy how others do things first, and that is OK. But eventually, if you cease to digest the stuff and incorporate them into your own, then you actually know nothing about crafting. Rath's rotation is top-notch. But honestly, you cannot handle everything just by copying Rath's rotation. You have digest it, and make it your own in order to work.

As a side note to the community, don't be shy to share your rotations if someone specifically ask for your rotation. New comers do need "blue prints" to learn from. Calculators are very awesome. But for someone who absolutely doesn't know anything about crafting, calculators are not very helpful to them. I think an actual sample rotation (not necessarily customized to his/her stats) would help them learn how to form "combos". Just need to remind them that their stats may not fit to use your rotation, that's all.

I am lurking around lately, and will likely be fully back to the game in May or June. See you around!

Best regards,
Caimie

[StouterTaru]

Is this what the crafting community is becoming? All the new comers are sitting at level 60, but they don't even know how to craft?

It was that way throughout most of 2.x; newbies would buy leve bundles to hit 50, without crafting anything, macros were more common because big synths didn't take 40+ steps, and you could make 100% HQ from NQ mats macros for the hardest recipes.

[SmallHobbit]

scrub crafter needs help pls.....bla bla

basicly the point of this posts is just that ppl are to lazy, did you read even the posts? the scrub crafter already say right away he did a research of 10min in the Forum than he gets tried (a good research should takes hours and days) xD soooo sorry but this is just lazyness of ppl.
there are more information than needed in the forum or google. the ppl are just sooooo lazy they expect someone else make the research for them thats all.
this forum is not leaking of information is just leaking users with brain.

regards hobbit

[Nixxe]

basicly the point of this posts is just that ppl are to lazy, did you read even the posts? the scrub crafter already say right away he did a research of 10min in the Forum than he gets tried (a good research should takes hours and days) xD soooo sorry but this is just lazyness of ppl.
there are more information than needed in the forum or google. the ppl are just sooooo lazy they expect someone else make the research for them thats all.
this forum is not leaking of information is just leaking users with brain.

regards hobbit

That's not really true. For something like this, if you can't find it in 10 minutes or less, you're probably bad at searching. We're dealing in basics for a fairly popular game in the internet age, not some obscure technical detail buried under 16 layers of nigh impenetrable game mechanics.

[Hasrat]

Y'know, I suspect this is a case of players hearing they can make loads of gil with crafters, so they just make a rush to the money-making phase and expect it to be easy.
Personally, I don't really get the sentiment, but it may be due to leveling my crafters up with everything else at the same time. By around level 30, I realized I actually needed to think about crafting skills, rather than just trying to brute force craft. I'm not even up to 50 yet (and I hope things don't get too complicated going forward), but I think I've built up a decent priority list. Which, seems to be the ideal over a simple macro, like most rotations. One-size-fits-all doesn't always work, better to know how to adapt.
I don't even know if I'm running ideal, but at least I know I can HQ mats fairly consistently, and gear pretty regularly.
It is, admittedly, a bit boring, hand-crafting several dozen Mythril Ingots, spending hours just making mats to get to the gear, and I'd love if I could just easy-mode it some days. But I guess some of that is just the struggle of being a competent crafter not trying to rush things. I'd rather this than just jumping to the end and not understanding how the skills can all fit together.

I can also say, since learning how to craft, it's become much less frustrating. I remember early on when 80% success felt as good as 20%. It's gotten more tedious, but at least it's more reliable.

[Gemina]

... It is, admittedly, a bit boring, hand-crafting several dozen Mythril Ingots, spending hours just making mats to get to the gear, and I'd love if I could just easy-mode it some days. But I guess some of that is just the struggle of being a competent crafter not trying to rush things. I'd rather this than just jumping to the end and not understanding how the skills can all fit together.

Wait 'till you get to Mythrite ingots

In all seriousness though, this is what makes crafting fun and engaging. Gathering your mats together on your own is indeed time consuming, but with crafting, you get out what you put in. And the more time you put in, the better you get at it and the more self-sufficient you become. The grindy uphill method might be slow, but I find that it is the superior way to go if you want to live up to the praise the guildmasters give you.

I get so much exp from crafting my own mats for the recipes I need for quests, turn-ins, and upgrades that I have next to zero need for leves. The only time I use them is after I have done all of those things, and I still need 1 to 1.5 levels to meet the next class quest requirement. Even then, I craft those items too instead of buying them or the mats off the MB, further shortening my need for leves.

My crafters are 53-54, and it'll be at least another month before they are all at 60. But I know how to craft. I have the knowledge I need to proceed going forward, and the aptitude to pick up the upcoming skills and challenges without having to ask for macros or rotations from those who have also done things this way. Props to you good sir for taking the path of most resitance!

[Alien_Gamer]

I have to admit when I started crafting your guides did help me immensely to understand how things worked. But in the many months since then I've learned I just don't like crafting that much; its not that its a bad system, its just too much RNG for me to like it. I learned to craft for two reasons, the first was to make my own gear, the second was to make money. Fortunately for me, neither one of these requires me to be a master craftsman. I'll never make the uber millions that some do but I can craft older stuff that still makes decent gil and thats always been enough for me to do what I want with and I can do that kind of crafting with macros.

I'm a firm believer that macros have their place but I also believe knowing your skills are important so you know why the macro works the way it does. That way as you level up you can modify the macros to suit whatever you're doing. Unfortunately many who come to the forums want a quick answer and not real help.

Also, thank you for making those guides.

[Deathgiver]

The guy in the other thread was literally too lazy to use google. The top result for "blue scrip macro" is the reddit thread with the macro he was given.

[Silverbane]

We should accept the possibility that some players of FFXIV might be new to the Internet and not know how to craft an effective search query. Picking the right keywords is, well, key, and if you're new to FFXIV or searching, might be tough at first.

As to getting to 60 without understanding crafting: not sure this is germane to the current forum traffic, but high level crafting (multi-star 60) isn't like anything you do before then. And it's evolved. Rath's Rotation is old news for many of us, but I remember when I first saw it, and when the simulator was new, and I was amazed by both.

Yes, we will still get lazy people asking stupid questions. We're in a lull, after all, so most of the hard-working people don't have much left to ask. I'm not criticizing anyone for any complaints-- I'm just skimming the forums these days myself. Just adding a perspective.

[LuckiGoLucki]

Snip about calculators.

This refers directly to me (I'm the one who offered the calculator in that post in the first place) so I'll respond. First off, that person was not seeking help when it came to actually learning how to craft. All he wanted was a rotation. A rotation I did not feel comfortable giving out because he refused to share his cross class skills and stats. I'm not going to write out a rotation and then see a reply saying "I don't have that ability". It would have been a waste of my time and his time.
2.) That calculator was actually offered to me as a small wee craftling. I use that calculator to this day to make sure I can have the most successful synth. YET, I still put in the time to read guides and my tooltips. If the calculator gave me a rotation I would look at the skills description, learning why the calculator thought this was the best way to go. So I have to disagree when you say the calculator doesn't help newbies.