Talk of SCH, Dissipation, and Largesse

[ty_taurus]

Now that SCH has access to Largesse, is there any point to Dissipation? The idea was that sacrificing your fairy, and consequently all the healing associated with your fairy as well as the MP and Swiftcast/GCD to summon her back, would somehow be worthwhile thanks to a healing buff and Aetherflow stacks. But was it ever?

From the SCHs I know, most found Dissipation to be a joke throughout all of Heavenward. Now with Largesse being in the Cross Role system, you can get a healing potency boost without losing a huge core function of your kit. Sure you can stack them, but is all that extra healing worth it? People already complain about WHM being too much a Pure Healer. We know overhealing does nothing. Will this mark the death of Dissipation as we move toward 5.0?

[Fernosaur]

There are some rare situations in which you need a very big shield. Dissipation+Fey Illum worked well for this, alongside Mantra, Defiance and Convalescence. Largesse could add to this function in order to boost healing to more than 200%. Either that, or make it so dissipating Lily isn't needed.

In the end, the devs are adamant about Dissipation being an emergency button, so I guess that's gonna be its use going forward, as situational and unused as it already is.

[Cynfael]

In the end, the devs are adamant about Dissipation being an emergency button, so I guess that's gonna be its use going forward, as situational and unused as it already is.

I still think that the dev who thought to make this the crowning level 60 SCH skill of 3.x was him or herself dissipated at the time.

"What awesome skill would exemplify this Job at lvl 60? A hyper-situational emergency one that replenishes Aether stacks yet comes with such severe trade-offs that you could conceivably get everyone killed by attempting to use it in an actual emergency!"

It was a good thing that the other SCH skills were fun and effective, because Dissipation wasn't a lot to look forward to.

[ty_taurus]

I could see a shield like that being cool to see negate a tank buster, but is that really an efficient method of dealing with it? Tanks have immunity cooldowns, and SCH has Adlo, Lustrate, E4E, and Emergency Tactics. Can you honestly tell me there's a situation where all that isn't enough but Dissipation just pushes it over the edge?

[Fernosaur]

I could see a shield like that being cool to see negate a tank buster, but is that really an efficient method of dealing with it? Tanks have immunity cooldowns, and SCH has Adlo, Lustrate, E4E, and Emergency Tactics. Can you honestly tell me there's a situation where all that isn't enough but Dissipation just pushes it over the edge?

Oh it's not for a tank buster, but for Deployment Tactics.

Sometimes shit goes really bad in progression and boss Limit Breaks get really big, or for other examples, A3S Cascades could hit so, so hard. Also a lot of things in A8S. Sometimes you just need a really big shield on the party and you can't rely on getting a crit. I once saved our party in A9S when the ad that leaves the Mini puddle accidentally died inside the fire. We were all gonna die to Double Scrapline, but by using a Dissipation, Fey Illu, Conval, Mantra and Defiance Deployment with Sacred Soil and Virus we survived it and managed to clear not after.

It's very situational, but those boosts are fine every now and then, you just gotta keep everything in mind when you're raiding.

[ty_taurus]

I've been in those situations as a SCH and got by without ever having Dissipation on my hotbar. I had worse actually, with my team failing certain mechanics like jump mechanics during Thordan Ex. I'm not saying it can't be used, but you also don't know what kind of consequences losing the fairy will have. That could backfire if you aren't careful, and that's the huge issue with Dissipation and why it's horribly designed. You have to lose healing potential to gain healing potential. It makes no sense.

[LegoTechnic]

I have used Dissipation in a few very specific instances, but usually for the immediate aetherize stacks. The end of A2s progression I needed more lustrates, and on Brute Justice it was a planned use during the fire spin phase when it's quite handy. I've also used it twice in the Palace of the Dead when bad lure trap moments have threatened to wipe the group and additional lustrates saved us. In raids especially I would often complain about having to use dissipation because I hate it in general, but this was always after those additional stacks managed to help prevent a wipe.

It's not useful 98% of the time, but in that rare instance where things are going wrong and you're tapped on available abilities, it can help you out so long as you remember it exists. And remembering it's there in the middle of a stressful moment is the hardest part, I think.

What I find interesting though is that Dissipation was deemed "too powerful" originally by the devs, and had its healing reduced from a 40% healing buff to a 20% one before release. It makes me wonder what the point of it all was now that we can Divine Seal it back up to 40% if we really wanted to.

[Ghishlain]

I'd definitely would consider both Largesse and and Dissipation together with Illuminate for any super stacked Adlo situation, as stated in earlier comments. In theory if you use it as a healing CD it's not a complete lose in healing. Three stacks of Lustrate = 1,800 potency and 30s of Embrace is approximately 2,000 potency.

As a tangent to the discussion on the usefulness of Dissipation, the Dev's might've given us another use for it as well. Based on the job action video, it seems that the fairy only gains 10 gauge per each action of Aetherflow and this is the only way to charge the gauge. If the fairy is summoned with a predetermined value in the gauge, it would be in the interest of the Scholar to re-summon the fairy relatively often to increase the frequency of the channel ability. Since Dissipation also generates 3 stacks as well, it might be in the SCH's interest to save those stacks for when the Fairy is resummoned to charge more gauge as well.

That's just my own theory at this moment. We'll see when we get the final release.

[ty_taurus]

Maybe it is useful in all of 2% of situations, but why can't we just have an ability that's useful in many situations? I feel like certain jobs get restrictions that don't apply to other jobs within the same role. I mean, look at AST now. Both sects are going to grant a constant state of 15% bonus healing. That's 5% less than Dissipation, is constantly on during battles, and doesn't remove a chunk of our skill set.

[Dastev]

I think that dissipation's fine for its' use since in the end you get more aetherflow from it too, so it could be considered a DPS boost. Only thing that annoys me is having to waste a Swiftcast on it.

As I said on another thread, one of my biggest wishes for SCH changes would be if Dissipation did like how Summon Bahamut will do, resummoning the fairy automatically once the duration of the buff's over.