Status of Dragoons?

[Ashua]

I am not seeing any real chat minus the Dragoon rotation thread about Dragoon talk in general. Are they looking pretty good in Stormblood with the new eye dragon proc system and loss of Plhebotomize? Or nothing really changed enough to merit interesting topics?

[Shamox]

Because there's already a whole thread dedicated to dragoons?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-DPS-Paradigm

[Ashua]

Because I wanted to read a guide about 3.0 rotations? That gives me insight into 4.0 how? Disregard response since last few pages is more or less around the 4.0 rotation.

[Shamox]

Well the first page is.

http://ffxivrotations.com/qgq
Here's the rotation.

[Arkenne]

Not a DRG, but I get where you come from...
Pretty much at 70, your combos will no longer be of 4, but 5 steps.
Wheeling Thrust and Fang & Claw now can proc 100% from Chaos Thrust and Full Thrust respectively.
They become a 5 steps combo because after a Wheeling Thrust you can now use Fang & Claw and also the other way around thanks to a trait past lvl 60. This will mean that DRG will become a bit more Positional dependent, since for example Chaos Thrust in the rear > Wheeling Thrust in the flank > Fang & Claw on the rear.

At least keeping BotD looks a lot simpler, and for rotation min-maxing I have little to none to offer, but it seems like the new red state, Life of the Dragon, is not something you can keep up 100% of the time, unless WT and F&C can extend the timer, which they don't specify.
Even on the description of LotD says that once it expires it will go back to BotD.

[Khel]

Not a DRG, but I get where you come from...
Pretty much at 70, your combos will no longer be of 4, but 5 steps.
Wheeling Thrust and Fang & Claw now can proc 100% from Chaos Thrust and Full Thrust respectively.
They become a 5 steps combo because after a Wheeling Thrust you can now use Fang & Claw and also the other way around thanks to a trait past lvl 60. This will mean that DRG will become a bit more Positional dependent, since for example Chaos Thrust in the rear > Wheeling Thrust in the flank > Fang & Claw on the rear.

At least keeping BotD looks a lot simpler, and for rotation min-maxing I have little to none to offer, but it seems like the new red state, Life of the Dragon, is not something you can keep up 100% of the time, unless WT and F&C can extend the timer, which they don't specify.
Even on the description of LotD says that once it expires it will go back to BotD.

It does not get extended. The question of what happens at the end of LOTD is still in question. The tooltip says it reverts to BOTD after it ends but none of the videos we have seen show it ending, the scene either changes or the player activates BOTD before LOTD ends.

I believe some are theory crafting that skipping the 5 combo (cause most of the time, you will not need the extra FnC or WT keep BOTD going) and instead doing a 4 combo and doing another True thrust combo will do more damage.

BOTD should be up all the time regardless, it seems we will have to delay our second or third (don't remember) Geirskogal to have it available as soon as you get 4 eyes to ender Life and gain access to Nastrond. You will get 3 Nastronds off during that time, some think 4 is possible but that will be very difficult.

[Arkenne]

So you mean forego the 5th in order to start over to quicken the use of a 440 potency GCD, right?

Hrm... I suppose that will have something to do with weighing down decisions in whats more important, if further extending BotD or just going for another Full Thrust.

'Tis true that no one has shown yet if LotD it simply expires or the 4th finishers can extend it, tho I bet for the former.

[thegreatonemal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhcc4wStP0

this vid adresses it after you run out of life you get 15 seconds of blood and you can stack eyes even while in life of the dragon so don't hold your jumps.