Thread: Warrior 4.0 Concerns

Originally Posted by aleph_null

With shirk and diversion I don't think we'll have too much problem with enmity, especially now that we can weave two butcher's block combo between eye combos. The only jobs that don't have enmity control are brd and mch. Of course if it's absolutely necessary to be in tank stance to hold aggro, we'll do it, like it or not. But the bigger the cost of swapping stance, the more valuable nin's utilities become. I wouldn't be surprised if drg/nin/mch/brd become the optimal composition again if that's the case.

I suspect that people may be seriously overestimating Shirk and Diversion. As for Nin's utilities? They might just become reasons for others to chose other cross-role skills rather than grab Shirk or Diversion.

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I suspect that people may be seriously overestimating Shirk and Diversion. As for Nin's utilities? They might just become reasons for others to chose other cross-role skills rather than grab Shirk or Diversion.

I suspect that people may be seriously overestimating dps' aggro generation. Either of us are simply speculating based on the str scaling nerf and dps rotation potencies so we could very well be wrong. Considering the stance switching cost (dps wise), if dps' aggro generation is really very high nin will just become a guaranteed pick again, just like now. Shirk could be very powerful combined with provoke since you'd be duplicating aggro (OT shirks MT > OT provokes off MT > MT shirks OT, then repeat for the next tank swap, and so on), it will be useful in the long run, but probably not so much during opener.

Originally Posted by aleph_null

I suspect that people may be seriously overestimating dps' aggro generation. Either of us are simply speculating based on the str scaling nerf and dps rotation potencies so we could very well be wrong. Considering the stance switching cost (dps wise), if dps' aggro generation is really very high nin will just become a guaranteed pick again, just like now.

True, but I doubt it.

Shirk could be very powerful combined with provoke since you'd be duplicating aggro (OT shirks MT > OT provokes off MT > MT shirks OT, then repeat for the next tank swap, and so on), it will be useful in the long run, but probably not so much during opener.

That combo (while strong) takes up two of both tank's role skill slots. Several of those skill slots might be better served in a fight by other choices.

Originally Posted by aleph_null

I suspect that people may be seriously overestimating dps' aggro generation. Either of us are simply speculating based on the str scaling nerf and dps rotation potencies so we could very well be wrong. Considering the stance switching cost (dps wise), if dps' aggro generation is really very high nin will just become a guaranteed pick again, just like .

I agree as seen in videos the dps damage didnt look that much higher than it is currently just like the tanks damage didnt. Alot of dps are losing potency on their attacks , as well as losing buffs, every job has basically one. I see nothing changing from how it is now, other than job skills changing in general, they didnt just change tanks they changed every job in the game pretty much for better or for worse.

I also feel like Upheaval wouldn't be very useful in it's current state outside of maybe raiding. It's tie to HP is pretty bad on top of the cost to rage. I've had healers tunnel vision while trying to DPS and let my HP drop significantly before throwing out a heal. For this skill to be useful I believe the tie to HP really needs to be dropped.

I would also like to add that if these changes make people drift away from warrior and coupled with the fact that they aren't introducing new tanking jobs those DPS que times are gonna be even more terrible than predicted.