SCH concern on DPS. Healers dps comparison

[winsock]

Keep in mind that the SCH playstyle is much better suited for offhealer. They get a substantial amount of hps, without interrupting their DPS rotation at all. WHMs max DPS rotation gives higher numbers, but provides very little healing potential when performing their DPS rotation.

SCH also has higher DPS potential when mobile.

[Sunako]

SCH still have their pet. Pet is like whm regen that tick heal, but you dont need waste single gcd healing with pet. If whm want keep regen on tank they need waste 3 gcds in minute that is worth of 3x stones = 780 potency dps loss every min. And pet can swap targets time to time unlike whm need waste another gcd if they want put another regen on another target. And ya sch can still use ruin 2 while moving so it is more mobile than other healers.

[Sighearth]

Don't forget WHM have assize with 60s cd now, that heals and dmg at the same time. With the cleric stance change, whm won't be interrupting their dps rotation much as they have aero 3, aero 2 and don't forget about presence of mind

[Starflake]

With the removal of cleric stance, our pet is a void point to make. Our raw heals are not as strong, you don't need to stance dance anymore at all. The increased nerf in DPS in combination with the removal of cleric stance as it is now has a significant impact. I also believe people are overstating Stratagem largly. It's to be believed that this is not a 20% crit buff as it's not a raw buff like Litany. Instead, it's more a 5-8% buff, if not lower.

[MsTanya]

With the removal of cleric stance, our pet is a void point to make. Our raw heals are not as strong, you don't need to stance dance anymore at all. The increased nerf in DPS in combination with the removal of cleric stance as it is now has a significant impact. I also believe people are overstating Stratagem largly. It's to be believed that this is not a 20% crit buff as it's not a raw buff like Litany. Instead, it's more a 5-8% buff, if not lower.

The 17% potency nerf on embrace should also be noted. It will be a large hit to our passive healing, meaning more personal responsibility healing to keep the status quo, meaning lower dps on top of our lower potencies, higher mp costs etc etc.

[Averax]

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20% from aetherflow, there will be a trait later on which makes it the same as it is now, on top of the fact that there will be another trait that gives you a chance to reduce the cooldown on aetherflow every time you use an ability that takes up a charge. Scholars will have no problems at all with MP.

Scholars also can rely on their fairy to heal the party's damage for a little bit, whereas ASTs will have to stop and heal. Unless your group is God, then there's no way they'll avoid taking damage for an entire trash pull.

[MsTanya]

20% from aetherflow, there will be a trait later on which makes it the same as it is now, on top of the fact that there will be another trait that gives you a chance to reduce the cooldown on aetherflow every time you use an ability that takes up a charge. Scholars will have no problems at all with MP.

Scholars also can rely on their fairy to heal the party's damage for a little bit, whereas ASTs will have to stop and heal. Unless your group is God, then there's no way they'll avoid taking damage for an entire trash pull.

There currently is no such trait. It remains 10% even at 70. The trait you are talking about has two numbers in it, one is 10 for the amount of seconds it can be reduced by and 20% for the chance of it happening, nowhere does it state a potency increase. MP problems are for sure a concern especially if you math it out at our level 70 cost versus refresh rate.

[LegoTechnic]

20% from aetherflow, there will be a trait later on which makes it the same as it is now, on top of the fact that there will be another trait that gives you a chance to reduce the cooldown on aetherflow every time you use an ability that takes up a charge. Scholars will have no problems at all with MP.

Scholars also can rely on their fairy to heal the party's damage for a little bit, whereas ASTs will have to stop and heal. Unless your group is God, then there's no way they'll avoid taking damage for an entire trash pull.

You'll have to link me this trait because I've never seen it. It's not in the Famitsu scans, either. Are you misreading the new level 68 one?

I am aware that the tooltips in the San Francisco English demo build said 20%, but they recovered only 10% in the actual SCH gameplay footage from the event and the Famitsu article is considered the most recent information we have.

[Tehol]

I actually don't care as much about the dps nerfs. The removal of cleric stance is a huge blow.

Part of the beauty of the scholar role was this extra level of challenge. Provided some interest in tome grind of running of basically low difficulty dungeon content. With ex primals and harder content, I would first learn the mechanics of the fight and focus on healing and less stance dancing. Then I would start to incorporate stances and look at squeezing out as much dps as possible.

I think they should have gone in the direction of further pushing the dps/healing dynamic. Maybe a concept like smn where certain skills become accessible when some attunement gauge is full or when cleric is active (fey union being one of the options).

But then again, maybe Square has worked on the other half of this equation: the content design. Perhaps new elements have been incorporated that will help mitigate the removal of this layer with cleric stance. Time will tell.

[Tehol]

And sorry but this cross class skill thing sounded interesting but looks to be pointless. Of the ten skills, why would I choose anything other than cleric, esuna, protect, swiftcast and eye for eye in dungeons? What in the new content could possibly incentivize me to think that the other skills would be attractive alternatives? Break is meh, I don't need an enmity reduction, i have a healing buff via eos and rescue is highly situational. Maybe they come into play when doing 8 man content and working with a second healer if the fight has specific situations. They gutted white mage for this?