Do AST really need this Buff?

[Yamimarik]

When there is an expansion upgrade to buy and you gain more levels you are supposed to get more powerful. So buffs are in general necessary for all jobs to make people feel like they are getting more powerful since they spent money to purchase the expansion upgrades; just like how upgrading gear does that. An expansion is something you pay for for an upgrade.

So I don't think of it as AST was undeserving of buffs...more like they didn't buff (utility/mechanics) WHM/SCH enough and/or took away too much of their DPS capability(in SCH's case) since SE seems to prefer healers be healers and seem to be trying to remove DPS aspects somewhat by removing a lot of extra DPS spells healers had.

I personally as a main AST don't like the AST changes either. I don't consider the healing potency on Diurnal a "buff" I consider it a nerf since I liked Diurnal AST for it's extra speed.

But I personally want to try SB before I freak out too much over stuff....I almost kind of want to switch to WHM for savage due to ASTs very simplified/nerfed DPS rotation now. I understand since AST offers cards we can't DPS for a lot, but the unfortunate side effect of that is boring gameplay. We lost 2/3 of our DoTs so single target DPS is reduced to Combust II then spam Malefic III and that's it and lost a lot of weaving capability :/

Finally! someone who gets it! This is exactly how I feel for the most part. A lot of the cure potency buffs I completely agree with, were not warranted on AST at all. To me as well taking our speed buff away from Diurnal feels more like a nerf then a buff w/ the potency on it now. I'm hoping both the English and Japanese tool tips are wrong and or changed because it really isn't needed, and at least for me, wanted.

The original line had (joke) behind it. And i removed it. Bcuse this forum has people like you with red eyes. So sorry for joking.
This is the forum full of randoms like me and, you gotta accept that.

being off topic.

Debates are extremely heated at the moment for healer. Even for AST. So no.... I don't have to accept anything, and I'm assuming you're insulting me, if that's the case... that doesn't help either. If enough people tried to really get behind such a joke, sometimes the devs will give it some thought, so no I didn't find it funny, and I never want AST back in the stone-age of 3.0 launch. So I didn't find it amusing, your original post is still very hyperbolic even without the bad joke.

I agree for the most part on what you're saying here. That said, it does seem odd to buff the strongest healer in the game, while simultaneously nerfing both other healers.

I actually didn't say it in my original post you quoted, but I was quoting the OP's original post before they edited and shuffled a lot of the wording around. No, I'm ok with them removing the healing potency on AST and their sects, because it really isn't needed (at least as of now, I could be wrong as all of us are and it is a warranted buff because we really have NO information on endgame for 4.0 as of now and present.) But... I was more referring to the OP wanting Earthly Star already nerfed. That was more what I was referring to.

[Johaandr]

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Not worth it dramatic dude

[Yamimarik]

Don't be such a white knight jeez.. "That doesnt help either" could care less tbh shoo.

And this is my final response to you, because you truly are trolling if you're going to "lolwhiteknight" and throw that term around. I even have said through out this thread that some of the buffs to AST were not warranted at all and didn't need to happen. So no, I'm not "White Knighting" you just want reactions from people, and despite you saying yay or nay, you just want what you want to be back on top, and bring everyone else down.

So done.

Obviously an actual debate and conversation is not possible with you.

[Johaandr]

And just want what you want to be back on top, and bring everyone else down.

So done.

Obviously an actual debate and conversation is not possible with you.

Lmao.

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[Cyrocco]

Well you too sir. stop jumping into conclusion. Not everything has to be darn constructive. Don't like it? Ignore it.

Now you just sound like you're out of comebacks and admitting to posting in order to be a troll. This guy you're arguing with is crying for AST to get buffed more and more, but don't get frustrated. Most healers are on your side.

Look, I've made my thread, but here's my two cents on the topic.

Astrologian does not need much of what it's receiving in Stormblood. Astrologian would've been perfectly fine with the new skills, perhaps excluding what we're currently seeing from Earthly Star, and the values we currently have.

The only people lusting after the AST we're currently seeing in Stormblood are extremely AST loyalist.

Obviously an actual debate and conversation is not possible with you.

As for you, the fact that you're not willing to listen to the worries of the other two healer types proves you learned nothing from 3.0 AST. 4.0 Endgame is not the worry. We have months before that. You are lashing out because AST used to be weak. As an AST main, I can't stand for this "let the other healers drown" behavior.

[Yamimarik]

As for you, the fact that you're not willing to listen to the worries of the other two healer types proves you learned nothing from 3.0 AST. 4.0 Endgame is not the worry. We have months before that. You are lashing out because AST used to be weak. As an AST main, I can't stand for this "let the other healers drown" behavior.

Please show me where I said that? Please? I'm pretty sure I even said they probably need to re-examine WHM so it's on par with both AST and SCH for 4.0 launch already in this thread. I also said AST doesn't need some of the buffs it's getting because AT THE MOMENT IN TIME we do not need them. BUT if content proves otherwise, since we really have no insight in endgame at all for 4.0... well who knows till we get there. Dungeons and open world is one thing, Savage, Ex, etc is another.

So please make sure you're reading my posts, because I never turned a blind eye to either healer, but personally WHM discussions have devolved into nothing but bad at the moment. So I try to avoid actual WHM topics. But I do agree something needs to be done to bring up the other healers to AST's level.

[Cyrocco]

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You like to keep demanding quotes but I don't believe anyone has asked for a pre-Stormblood nerf. There's also no "on par with WHM and SCH," the only way a SCH can outheal this SB-AST is by getting a Crit-Adlo and using Deployment, and with the DPS nerf SCH is receiving, the buff uptime from two ASTs is looking more and more ideal.

I see you demanding a lot from people arguing with you but you're offering absolutely no constructive criticism at all, you've just either quoted other people or gotten snarky with people who stated their opinions.

The only reason people don't want AST so megabuffed is because healing is so simple you can literally watch Netflix if you're just healing. If other healers are brought up to that level, I'm done with it. That's boring. No one wants healers at that level.