RIP WHM? What... what if.... if..

[Daniolaut]

People are saying RIP WHM right?

Well, what if, just what if, Square-Enix makes actually truly difficult content...


where....


You need a Paladin/Warrior, or even Paladin/Dark Knight composition Edit: **to clear within the first week or two**

and you need

a powerful White Mage healer!!! Edit: **to clear within the first week or two**

Just to even clear super savage?!

Like, story mode requires whatever composition cause of its freedom, and the meta for savage is the typical DRK/WAR-SCH/AST...


but...



Super Savage Composition is very strict, and to get world first, you need:

PLD/DRK - WHM/AST (for bole.) (passage of arms, massive heals/bole to actually live.)

Wouldn't that be a shocker?

[Taika]

If nothing else, it would be very bad design.

[Kaurie]

What if...
1. AST heals more powerful heals than WHM?
2. All content is created to be viable with any combination of healers?
3. PLD/BRD/AST/SCH mitigation makes the heals WHM brings laughably unnecessary?
4. SCH's tether makes it a very strong MP free ST Heal?
5. AST has the strongest aoe heal?

That said, I can see a WHM/AST being meta, with WHM being the DPS off healer.

[Daniolaut]

If nothing else, it would be very bad design.

You're saying it would be bad design, that each job is situational, at different tiers of content, at its release for the 2% of the playerbase,

but in time all jobs become viable for the rest of the 98%?

[Aramina]

You're saying it would be bad design, that each job is situational, at different tiers of content, at its release for the 2% of the playerbase,

but in time all jobs become viable for the rest of the 98%?

For a piece of content to be completely un-doable by a job? Yes, it is bad design. There is a difference between "not the meta" and "impossible".

[Taika]

You're saying it would be bad design, that each job is situational, at different tiers of content, at its release for the 2% of the playerbase,

but in time all jobs become viable for the rest of the 98%?

Yes, it would be a bad design decision to require certain jobs to be able to beat content. It would also exclude more players from this content since static members would be expected to have certain (several!) jobs to change between fights.

[Daniolaut]

For a piece of content to be completely un-doable by a class? Yes, it is bad design. There is a difference between "not the meta" and "impossible".

Ok I should rephrase it.

For the meta to get their clears in the first week or so. Just like it has always been. They didnt take paladin, but paladin could in fact clear savage. Just not to that extreme. (in so much that it would take a group with paladin an additional month or more to get a clear. That is bad design yes. Hence why they fixed it.)

[Aramina]

Ok I should rephrase it.

For the meta to get their clears in the first week or so. Just like it has always been. They didnt take paladin, but paladin could in fact clear savage. Just not to that extreme. (in so much that it would take a group with paladin an additional month or more to get a clear. That is bad design yes. Hence why they fixed it.)

So... what's the question then? If it is already what has been done then what are we what-if'ing?

edit: Unless you are saying WHM should be happy because they could get their clear earlier? Still bad because no one wants to be the worst at all these things except this one little tiny niche (that the odds show is never going to be relevant to them anyway).

edit again: For the record, I am not saying they WOULD (because as pointed out, WHM no longer even has the best healer going for it), just in a hypothetical situation if they were would that be enough.. and clearly I say no

[Exiled_Tonberry]

You do know AST heals for more than WHM across their entire healing toolkit right?
And that WHMs healing is RNG now so it can't even be relied upon 100% of the time.
They also have nearly 0 mitigation and NO AOE mitigation.

On top of all of that, content REQUIRING a WHM would be unbalanced.

Btw, can we stop saying that? The whole "WHM level heals" thing. Because WHM isn't the strongest in even healing anymore they simply have MORE healing spells. Their potencies are actually weaker now. They don't even have the strongest AOE heal in the game anymore.

[Daniolaut]

So... what's the question then?

What if we are overlooking something because we don't have the changes to see how they work with the new content? I'm not saying its a solid thing, they should respond to our concerns about white mage, to inform us. But, there very well could (could means possibility) they know something we don't. Is that a fact? no, a possibility? yes.

You do know AST heals for more than WHM across their entire healing toolkit right?
.

Oh, I was mistaken, I thought they said all content/numbers were subject to change. I wasnt aware its been finalized now. Ok then disregard.

RIP WHM. I will still play as you though.