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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    Now get what I said what I said? It does not, HQ IS STANDARD when it comes to this game, does not matter how it is priced. When you said "additional stats do not make up for the weapon damage difference " it sounded like you where implying relic had no sub stats because it did not make up difference, even though you can make sub stat optimal. Even if you did not mean this, I am trying to explain why it is confusing and why it was wrong to say relic was better then i139, implying relic have special heavier stats when they don't, its just NQs are gimp for their ilevel, and color border doesn't matter, just true ilevel.

    NQ are gimp stats and not the true ilevel. That is why you can meld prime stat boosts in them. I commented on what you where implying, gave the wrong messages. How hard or how much a HQ cost does not change the fact HQ is the standard requirement and NQ is below the true ilevel stats.
    I think it would be obvious to most people that relic would have sub stats and that I was talking about how the i150 NQ White had higher Str and Vit and would likely have higher Crit and Det, and how those additional stats would not make up for the higher weapon damage on the Relic. Like I don't think people would go as far as to think relic didn't have the secondary stats. Furthermore, I already added a disclaimer on the HQ version in the form of, "Of course, a High Quality version may be different, but I don't have the numbers for those." This is a situation where longevity and efficiency is a factor, so price does matter in this discussion.

    In this situation, price and the difficulty of obtaining during the leveling process does matter for the intent of whether or not the Anima weapon is worth obtaining. If upgrading to a HQ crafted weapon costs a large amount of money, they are likely not going to be a viable replacement. Sure if a player had ridiculous amounts of gil and could spend without making a dent in their wallet then I could consider HQ crafted a replacement, but not everyone has that much girl.

    I am calling White Gear, White Gear, because I don't have another term for them. If I really was implying that the color mattered, would I say Relic Gear couldn't be replaced or something like that? As far as I understand, the FFXIV Rarity system goes Purple/Blue > Green > White, but I only grouped them in the manner in which they are obtained. Rather I focused on the actual stats in regards as to why they are better; it is easier to compare actual stats then to look at "true ilevel" when I don't have the stats on HQ Whites.

    I feel like you are nitpicking on how I decided to organize the data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahallo View Post
    I think it would be obvious to most people that relic would have sub stats and that I was talking about how the i150 NQ White had higher Str and Vit and would likely have higher Crit and Det, and how those additional stats would not make up for the higher weapon damage on the Relic. Like I don't think people would go as far as to think relic didn't have the secondary stats. Furthermore, I already added a disclaimer on the HQ version in the form of, "Of course, a High Quality version may be different, but I don't have the numbers for those." This is a situation where longevity and efficiency is a factor, so price does matter in this discussion.

    In this situation, price and the difficulty of obtaining during the leveling process does matter for the intent of whether or not the Anima weapon is worth obtaining. If upgrading to a HQ crafted weapon costs a large amount of money, they are likely not going to be a viable replacement. Sure if a player had ridiculous amounts of gil and could spend without making a dent in their wallet then I could consider HQ crafted a replacement, but not everyone has that much girl.

    I am calling White Gear, White Gear, because I don't have another term for them. If I really was implying that the color mattered, would I say Relic Gear couldn't be replaced or something like that? As far as I understand, the FFXIV Rarity system goes Purple/Blue > Green > White, but I only grouped them in the manner in which they are obtained. Rather I focused on the actual stats in regards as to why they are better; it is easier to compare actual stats then to look at "true ilevel" when I don't have the stats on HQ Whites.

    I feel like you are nitpicking on how I decided to organize the data.

    I am not nitpicking anything, I think you where making a more complex statements that is needed. higher level= better, the rarity color does not matter, why does it even exist? I do not know why NQs and color exists when apparently it can mislead people.

    Nqs are never the real ilevel is what I was trying to explain to you and should not be used as the standard, HQ/drops are the standard, not NQs. The point of this is to show a lesser HQ/ drop can be better then NQs several levels above it, like 235 > 250 NQ, gil is not a factor in pointing this out. (kinda is, do pvp and not waste gil on a useless NQ) I think SE should address this in making NQ reflect more their item level so they stop using them in ilevel bypass attempts. (Or people simply not knowing HQ are the real standard and knowing what they had before is really better)

    135 vs 147, it is not hard to see 135 is viable to use. You do not need any the more complex details you where trying show some reason.

    You can't say 135>139 because NQs are not the standard, it is always 139 >135. NQs are lesser then the ilevel is shown on them. Think twice about "upgrading" to NQ because as I try explain a lesser level have more stats because NQs are fake. So I disagree with "nitpicking" I just do not want people mislead.

    It would been very easy to be like, your 135 relic can compare because at 56 there is 139, difference is not big there, then 58 or whatever is 147. So you can very well get 50>60 off a fully upgraded relic like it is likely you can get to 70 off a 275 weapon.
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 06-04-2017 at 05:20 AM.

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