Anima Weapon...should I bother?

[ManuelBravo]

It's more of time killer and for us achievement type of people is a matter of pride. We also go for need in gear and get CS so it's a double win in a way. Relics aren't for everyone and if you really have to ask it just means they aren't really meant for you. No offense, they aren't for everyone, it's an exclusive type of membership :P

[Ama_Hamada]

Relics aren't for everyone and if you really have to ask it just means they aren't really meant for you. No offense, they aren't for everyone, it's an exclusive type of membership :P

NOW ya.. but in general how so? You can get them in about 1 month off dailies you do anyway to cap script etc? as an alt all I did was dailies (expert/pvp) and ended up with 2 and in fact last 3 weeks or so I haven't done any. (you can get sands off poetic dailies/ squads and the new craft/gather weekly)

[ManuelBravo]

NOW ya.. but in general how so? You can get them in about 1 month off dailies you do anyway to cap script etc? as an alt all I did was dailies (expert/pvp) and ended up with 2 and in fact last 3 weeks or so I haven't done any.

I take it it's on an alternate character?Besides thelv 2 in Ragnarok, being you only have one lvl 60 on your Balmung. I'm on my 5th, can check my profile for achievements, and the only real hard time is the grinding lights. I'm going for all achievements just killing time and while I'm at it master all jobs. Besides having control over stats it's always a plus in my book. Also Relics, can be completed in less than a month now being too many people complaining how hard it is and SE gave in to people who are too sensitive to grind. Above all having to grind a job builds up your experience in it.

[Ama_Hamada]

I am the alt.... I do not have access to level 50 roulette, lol... filler msq if you need more sands.

I am 60 SCH i267, and i270 SCH.. what ya talking about only one level 60? and all my crafting and gathering?>.>

idk what "thelv 2 in Ragnarok" means.

This is all off point though, (doesn't really matter if you are on 5th) I said it can be everyone , just about a month to 2 months of dailies, no grinding but lights, so anyone can do it. much different then 2.0 relics where your statement is true.

editing cuz of cap

My mistake a sch and a sum in a single grind to get to 60, unless you have 2 characters with sch only?I meant lvl 60 in terms of DoW and DoM. Lvl 2 is the alternate character I found for you in Ragnarok server. As for everyone doubt it. Most people are too spoil, want it handed to them, and make up excuses. So which Character is your main if you don't mind me asking.? Also I work 2 jobs and go to school so for you to say it's done daily I doubt you actually know what a grind is. Unless you had relics in FFXI, Zodiac weps are ok for glamor and a good time killer as well. Can skip the cristay farming for Anima storyline as well or just use that as a way to get to 60 without investing into gear and such with old content. Alternative for frugal individuals or who don't craft.

All off the point. I said Anyone can get HW relics, it is just about a month of dailies, I was able get 2 relics off dailies only, as an alt. I do not know what you are trying to get across to me. Me saying HW relics can have been goten by anyone since you can do them off dailies only, has nothing to do with FFXI relics. If you started say 3 months ago buying umbrite with lore, doing weekly and daily quests when needed ( 1 hr a day for dailies, increase to 3 hours for one day or 2 hours spread on meany days if weekly + dailies) you would have got it.

To have this hold true while doing that ^ for sands too at little cost without crafting or gathering, you do the amber levels, the squads and someone that has 1 60 crafting can easily casually get the crafting weekly done.
(repeating myself so just editing post)

[ManuelBravo]

I am the alt.... I do not have access to level 50 roulette, lol... filler msq if you need more sands.

I am 60 SCH i267, and i270 SCH.. what ya talking about only one level 60? and all my crafting and gathering?>.>

idk what "thelv 2 in Ragnarok" means.

This is all off point though, (doesn't really matter if you are on 5th) I said it can be everyone , just about a month to 2 months of dailies, no grinding but lights, so anyone can do it. much different then 2.0 relics where your statement is true.

My mistake a sch and a sum in a single grind to get to 60, unless you have 2 characters with sch only?I meant lvl 60 in terms of DoW and DoM. Lvl 2 is the alternate character I found for you in Ragnarok server. As for everyone doubt it. Most people are too spoil, want it handed to them, and make up excuses. So which Character is your main if you don't mind me asking.? Also I work 2 jobs and go to school so for you to say it's done daily I doubt you actually know what a grind is. Unless you had relics in FFXI, Zodiac weps are ok for glamor and a good time killer as well. Can skip the cristay farming for Anima storyline as well or just use that as a way to get to 60 without investing into gear and such with old content. Alternative for frugal individuals or who don't craft.

[Draxxion]

I am still going for it myself. It is something to accomplish. It is a goal and then there is a glamour. Plus there could be a skip step. I have even thought of going back and working on the original relic weapon. It is a goal to work towards.

[Yahallo]

Now get what I said what I said? It does not, HQ IS STANDARD when it comes to this game, does not matter how it is priced. When you said "additional stats do not make up for the weapon damage difference " it sounded like you where implying relic had no sub stats because it did not make up difference, even though you can make sub stat optimal. Even if you did not mean this, I am trying to explain why it is confusing and why it was wrong to say relic was better then i139, implying relic have special heavier stats when they don't, its just NQs are gimp for their ilevel, and color border doesn't matter, just true ilevel.

NQ are gimp stats and not the true ilevel. That is why you can meld prime stat boosts in them. I commented on what you where implying, gave the wrong messages. How hard or how much a HQ cost does not change the fact HQ is the standard requirement and NQ is below the true ilevel stats.

I think it would be obvious to most people that relic would have sub stats and that I was talking about how the i150 NQ White had higher Str and Vit and would likely have higher Crit and Det, and how those additional stats would not make up for the higher weapon damage on the Relic. Like I don't think people would go as far as to think relic didn't have the secondary stats. Furthermore, I already added a disclaimer on the HQ version in the form of, "Of course, a High Quality version may be different, but I don't have the numbers for those." This is a situation where longevity and efficiency is a factor, so price does matter in this discussion.

In this situation, price and the difficulty of obtaining during the leveling process does matter for the intent of whether or not the Anima weapon is worth obtaining. If upgrading to a HQ crafted weapon costs a large amount of money, they are likely not going to be a viable replacement. Sure if a player had ridiculous amounts of gil and could spend without making a dent in their wallet then I could consider HQ crafted a replacement, but not everyone has that much girl.

I am calling White Gear, White Gear, because I don't have another term for them. If I really was implying that the color mattered, would I say Relic Gear couldn't be replaced or something like that? As far as I understand, the FFXIV Rarity system goes Purple/Blue > Green > White, but I only grouped them in the manner in which they are obtained. Rather I focused on the actual stats in regards as to why they are better; it is easier to compare actual stats then to look at "true ilevel" when I don't have the stats on HQ Whites.

I feel like you are nitpicking on how I decided to organize the data.

[ErikMynhier]

I got behind on mine too, but I'm doing it to finish as I'm almost there. My time to play is limited so I finished my Relic late too and had to Fate Farm the first step of the Anima, something I could have skipped. So even though it may not be useful stat wise, I assume it will let me skip the first step of the next relic weapon and in short keep me on schedule more with more continues players.

[kattzkitti]

It's worth completing up to the light step simply for the upgrade to i260, as that will carry you through the first half of 4.x content in the off chance you get unlucky with weapon drops from the dungeons. Past that though, I'd suggest waiting until they nerf the light step before you start that insane grind.

[Ama_Hamada]

I think it would be obvious to most people that relic would have sub stats and that I was talking about how the i150 NQ White had higher Str and Vit and would likely have higher Crit and Det, and how those additional stats would not make up for the higher weapon damage on the Relic. Like I don't think people would go as far as to think relic didn't have the secondary stats. Furthermore, I already added a disclaimer on the HQ version in the form of, "Of course, a High Quality version may be different, but I don't have the numbers for those." This is a situation where longevity and efficiency is a factor, so price does matter in this discussion.

In this situation, price and the difficulty of obtaining during the leveling process does matter for the intent of whether or not the Anima weapon is worth obtaining. If upgrading to a HQ crafted weapon costs a large amount of money, they are likely not going to be a viable replacement. Sure if a player had ridiculous amounts of gil and could spend without making a dent in their wallet then I could consider HQ crafted a replacement, but not everyone has that much girl.

I am calling White Gear, White Gear, because I don't have another term for them. If I really was implying that the color mattered, would I say Relic Gear couldn't be replaced or something like that? As far as I understand, the FFXIV Rarity system goes Purple/Blue > Green > White, but I only grouped them in the manner in which they are obtained. Rather I focused on the actual stats in regards as to why they are better; it is easier to compare actual stats then to look at "true ilevel" when I don't have the stats on HQ Whites.

I feel like you are nitpicking on how I decided to organize the data.

I am not nitpicking anything, I think you where making a more complex statements that is needed. higher level= better, the rarity color does not matter, why does it even exist? I do not know why NQs and color exists when apparently it can mislead people.

Nqs are never the real ilevel is what I was trying to explain to you and should not be used as the standard, HQ/drops are the standard, not NQs. The point of this is to show a lesser HQ/ drop can be better then NQs several levels above it, like 235 > 250 NQ, gil is not a factor in pointing this out. (kinda is, do pvp and not waste gil on a useless NQ) I think SE should address this in making NQ reflect more their item level so they stop using them in ilevel bypass attempts. (Or people simply not knowing HQ are the real standard and knowing what they had before is really better)

135 vs 147, it is not hard to see 135 is viable to use. You do not need any the more complex details you where trying show some reason.

You can't say 135>139 because NQs are not the standard, it is always 139 >135. NQs are lesser then the ilevel is shown on them. Think twice about "upgrading" to NQ because as I try explain a lesser level have more stats because NQs are fake. So I disagree with "nitpicking" I just do not want people mislead.

It would been very easy to be like, your 135 relic can compare because at 56 there is 139, difference is not big there, then 58 or whatever is 147. So you can very well get 50>60 off a fully upgraded relic like it is likely you can get to 70 off a 275 weapon.