Summoner and the upcoming changes

[Fyce]

That's all well and good, but Titan doesn't have Provoke. So do you kite the mobs in hopes that he'll grab aggro back? That sounds less than enjoyable.

Man up, cast some spells and kill the thing. Like every other DPS job in the game.

Besides, when you'll summon Demi-Bahamut, Titan will go away anyway. So, as I said, better start now learning not to count on having an invincible pet behing able to tank all day long.

Thats great unless it's something like a FATE boss, then once Titan dies and the boss still has 50% hp, you're tanking him. This now leave the bigger question, what's the point of Titan-Egi and what was the point of removing Sustain anyway?

Oh no, SMN can't solo Fate bosses anymore. What will we do? Oh, I know, we'll do like every other DPS job in the game.

Our days being all-mighty and being able to tank, heal and DPS at the same time are over. Deal with it.

[CatoLeo]

One of the things they could do to help make ends meet for us would be natural combat regen on titan.
Having sustain back would be nice but I do understand somewhat why they removed it too.

Most of the issues I have with Summoner lies in pre level 50, what makes me want to play summoner to level 50?
and its not like you have access to stuff like DWT or Demi-Bahamut, so its a MAJOR nerf to lower level summoner.
one of the stupid things I wish they would do to help lower level summoner is to let them have Ruin mastery earlier on, around where you normally would have gotten the trait "enhanced pet actions" which is basically what ruin mastery replaced!
possibly a bit later where a summoner starts really feeling the loss of the extra dot so they have something to get them to level 50 and beyond. (and its not like we get more enkindles then we should since that is an entirely different trait altogether.)

[Dyvid]

Man up, cast some spells and kill the thing. Like every other DPS job in the game.

Besides, when you'll summon Demi-Bahamut, Titan will go away anyway. So, as I said, better start now learning not to count on having an invincible pet behing able to tank all day long.

Oh no, SMN can't solo Fate bosses anymore. What will we do? Oh, I know, we'll do like every other DPS job in the game.

Our days being all-mighty and being able to tank, heal and DPS at the same time are over. Deal with it.

Didn't say I can't solo 'em, I said what's the point of Titan-Egi now and why was sustain even removed? Learn to read.

[Neela]

Maybe they nerfed <60+ cls' (read Sch got probs as well in low level f.e) in generell to sell their jump-potions? ;3
Not that serious bout that thought but well paranoia-ones could think bout it ^^

[Imoye]

Summoner right now is garbage. Remove the bahamut and give me my spells back. The AoE damage is pure trash and the class feels dumbed down.
What a load of trash. Tempted to refund the entire expansion.

GG.

[CodeAscalon]

Aetherpact - Devotion really is the disappointment I thought it would be.

Nevermind the fact that it's effect is pathetic and it's applied to a random party member. The delay it has is similar to Enkindle where you pet will either turn or move toward the party member and then cast the ability.

It feels like the dev. team wanted us to have another ability our pet could use to possibly proc Further Ruin and just sloppily came up with Aetherpact. I hope they revisit this.

Same... Leveling hasn't felt so unsatisfying like leveling SMN to 64.

Ruin Mastery seems to proc often enough

Your's does? I can barely feel it. Since the animation was also done kinda, weak..yeah dunno. I feel like redmage got all the love for fancyness.

[Fyce]

Didn't say I can't solo 'em, I said what's the point of Titan-Egi now and why was sustain even removed? Learn to read.

It's a HP buffer which act as a tempoary shield before the enemy starts attacking you.

If I had to learn how to read, I'd not be asking you to teach me for sure.

I use Titan-Egi all the time when doing my quests and FATEs on the way. It almost never dies, and absolutly never caused me any issue when it did.

[Spellbinder]

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If you can't kill an enemy before Titan-Egi is killed (outside of dungeons, trials, and raids, obviously), you likely have no business fighting it in the first place. You'd be better off using Garuda or Ifrit's extra DPS to burn it down instead of using Titan as an "HP Buffer." The removal of sustain only proves how poor a concept "tank" pets are without a means to maintain them.

Not only was the removal of Sustain a slap in the face to summoners (and Scholars to a certain extent), they saw fit not to adjust physick to scale with our main attribute, while giving red mage a healing spell that scales with theirs. I'd much rather they remove physick from summoner and give us sustain instead. There is no situation where a paltry heal of 500ish HP means anything to a summoner, solo or otherwise.

[Fyce]

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A lot of enemies in the open world cast AoEs. Titan-egi allows us to completly ignore those. It also helps to reduce issues you may have if you aggro more enemies than you can handle on your own (would it be on purpore or by accident). This is especially true during FATEs.
While its DPS is lower than Ifrit and Garuda, it mostly doesn't matter in open world content.

It's still the most "comfortable" pet to have when doing hours and hours of questing.

Having a situational pet is fine.

[Vallhallix]

Anyone get to 70 yet? does SMN get better? I can't understand how after these nerfs they didn't reduce the cooldown of aetherflow. If they want to make our playstyle more agressive and constantly keep us in DWT we cannot have aetherflow on a minute cooldown. The dps loss in general can be fixed with a reduced aetherflow cooldown.