Summoner and the upcoming changes

[CecMiller]

I am a smn raider as well and I don't think it's boring - please don't put your opinion on others in general - there are 2 other smn in my fc both are raiding as well just one of us changed to RDM what makes 2 out of 3 still enjoy the cls. .___.

though I agree at this point it's way to early to talk but raid meta without comparison of grp-synergy and parsing on hardfacts.

Edit: Oh lol you were talking bout meta in usin egis - my bad but still opinion bout raid meta stays ^^

When I was talking about savage raiding summoners, I'm talking about those who pushed the dps to the highest possible: Those who had orange/purple parses on fflogs. Besides, I don't think you've tried the new summoner have you? I'm saying the SB version is pretty boring so far! The vast majority of those commenting here that played summoner in HW are saying that the new summoner is pretty boring as the above 2 responses and the other comments in the thread show.

Anyways, I do have to add. PVP summoner is great

[Writer]

Cont.

A new version of Sustain that's like Physick except it is empowered by Intelligence and heals both your pet and yourself at the same time, and can only be used on your pet and yourself. A Summoner trait would replace Physick with it (and Scholar's would get a Physick II which is a stronger heal).

* Note I think these kind of changes should happen for 30 and be Job only skills. It would differentiate Scholar and Summoner more.

[Feves]

As soon as I reach level 70 on SMN I'm switching my main to Black Mage or Red Mage. This is just extremely clunky to play and playing with Bahamut in PvP I fail to see how that's going to make it any more exciting. I can get that casual players might enjoy it but trying to get skills like Devotion and Contagion to go off when you want them for optimal DPS is just extremely frustrating, nine times out of ten they won't go off. Rouse and Enkindle are completely out of sync now, you don't even have to pay attention to your DoTs anymore. I really enjoyed how level 60 SMN played and how fluid it was, this is just a complete mess and yawn inducing in primal fights. I had more fun playing a level 50 RDM on a dummy than I have had at any moment playing SMN in the expansion.

I've mained SMN throughout all 3 Alexander Savage modes and there was never a dull moment. Seeing how boring and clunky this is I'm definitely not looking forward to raid in Omega Savage with the Summoner job.

[TheLenrir]

If I was going to play SMN at this point, it would be in PVP, strangely plays miles better in PVP than in PVE, which is amusing considering I thought the total opposite during Heavensward. But yeah, I tried to like it, I tried to adjust to it, but now that I am 69 I think I can safely tell myself that this is just a throwback to the 2.0 era, where I am back to ruin spamming for the rest of time since well timed tri-disaster means you generally don't find yourself manually placing the DoTs back on, with the 'parlour trick' deathflare & bahamut in between. What with Shadow Flare being like it is and using swiftcast merely to summon my pet back after it died for the 3rd time in a boss fight? (I'm looking at you final boss in the lv 67 dungeon), yeah screw that.

But hey, at least we got Lucid dream right? Because that's what I want to be in right now, a dream.

[Writer]

From a levelling Summoner, changes I would like to see:

Okay, now that Rescue is in the game, I'd like a new pet skill - Leash. Which is essentially Rescue but strictly for our pets.

Miasma, Bio, and Bane... I feel these three skills are more for Scholar than Summoner TBH. They are "too support". Minimal DPS, minimal damage. Instead I would have them replaced with say - Armor break, Poison Touch, and Poison Breath via a trait just for Summoners (Scholar does has traits that Summoner doesn't so exclusive traits between the two is possible). These would give more damage, lower DoT numbers, and Poison Breath would not be dependent on Armor and Poison to do an AOE just Aethflow. It would be better for DPS and make it feel less like a support class.

[Sunako]

Did some Susano extreme farms today and players seems to hate my Bahamut there because it is too big and players can not see mechanics. Is there any way hide that pet?

[Vallhallix]

Did some Susano extreme farms today and players seems to hate my Bahamut there because it is too big and players can not see mechanics. Is there any way hide that pet?

How is that even possible unless they have the camera close up on their arse. Sounds more like bad players making excuses lol.

[artemos7]

Having played SMN since its release until now, this feels like a major downgrade back to what it was pre-HW. I am certain by 70 I will enjoy it more, but I can't imagine leveling it up now with the little ability it has at lower levels. Even with the cross-role abilities/actions on my bar...there is no coherent rotation or anything that will truly buff my damage numbers without having to spam, which isn't what I was hoping for at all. I understand trying to balance the class to make it more equal to others...but this isn't balance, it is gimping. I love SMN, so please do something about this, because I felt tempted to switch to another class, and I haven't felt that way before.

[Brinzy]

I can't imagine that we would ever use two abilities, post-pull, not directly related to damage (and many seconds of pets not attacking) in our opener. We most certainly wouldn't go from Ifrit to Garuda if that's the case, because you would either have to burn up Rouse when switching out Ifrit after Enkindle, or you'd have to wait to use Garuda's. Rouse is generally used pre-pull anyway.

Also, shoutout to this guy:

I am aswell one of those people who love the new summoner. Tough I have to admit that I didn't play mine before SB

for criticizing SMNs for not liking the way SMN is now while admitting he didn't play SMN before. But thanks for your expert analysis.

[Fyce]

I can't imagine that we would ever use two abilities, post-pull, not directly related to damage (and many seconds of pets not attacking) in our opener. We most certainly wouldn't go from Ifrit to Garuda if that's the case, because you would either have to burn up Rouse when switching out Ifrit after Enkindle, or you'd have to wait to use Garuda's. Rouse is generally used pre-pull anyway.

That's why I said "pre-pull", and not "post-pull".

Like, 5 seconds before pull, using Radiant shield>Swiftcast>Summon Garuda>Rouse>and then either Contagion or start the opener (depends on when Contagion is best used... Probably during the first DWT, but at this point I'm not sure, the opener seems to have quite a few radically different options). Note that using Contagion just as the pull starts is a good way to make it quite responsive, since the pet isn't doing anything at that moment.

After that, switching pets to get a damage buff for magic damage (ourselves and healers... and maybe another caster) or physical damage (rest of the party) should overcome the DPS loss from the Egi not attacking once or twice.