Alternative solution to glamour log

[Belhi]

Did he? Yoshida said in an interview at one of the Fanfests that a glamour log was feasible but the UI team didn't currently have time to work on it. I made a thread about it some time ago.

I get the feeling something is lost in translation.

[AlphaFox]

I like the idea but wouldn't that demand more space? I am actually asking, not trying to be rude cus I don't know. I'd assume all the gear that could be bought would need some kind of duplicate ID that the vendor produces that would stop it from being able to be traded for seals, but I do love the idea. I'd gladly spend some gil to re-buy old outfits or pieces, I feel the Level 50 artifact are priced just right.

But thinking on it, the only time you can re-buy the garo gear is if you complete the full set and get the achievement. Something like needing the full ilv245 set, then talk to ___ to get the achievement to allow us to rebuy? Think a few achievements are already like that, needing the full level 15 pirate set then talk to Jonathan?

[Bacent]

I'd rather just have MORE things be able to be put in the armoire instead of some new thing or other. Just add tabs to it that are for tomestone based gear, and dungeon/raid based gear

[Tachyon]

The armoire is pretty underutilized too though, so either that or calamity scavenger actually wouldn't be a terrible idea

[Vidu]

I'm afraid there is on techinal issue with this solution though: How does the system track that you've actually obtained certain gear at somepoint? The way the Calamatiy Salvager knows atm is by checking of you've got the achievement thats tied to the gear - thats why you can ONLY buy the Garo-gear when you've got the achievment tied to that gear-set. To buy event-gear you're never required to have obtained all the gear from that event during the actual event - as long as you get the achievement, everything will be unlocked. So unless you want to have achievments for every single piece of gear (or even for every gear-set) this solution cant work under the current system.

[SokiYagami]

I'm afraid there is on techinal issue with this solution though: How does the system track that you've actually obtained certain gear at somepoint? The way the Calamatiy Salvager knows atm is by checking of you've got the achievement thats tied to the gear - thats why you can ONLY buy the Garo-gear when you've got the achievment tied to that gear-set. To buy event-gear you're never required to have obtained all the gear from that event during the actual event - as long as you get the achievement, everything will be unlocked. So unless you want to have achievments for every single piece of gear (or even for every gear-set) this solution cant work under the current system.

It's pretty difficult or downright impossible (depending on system) to backtrack all the items obtained before. However, it is possible to start registering the items we already have on hand the moment the new system launched. Hence the longer they drag on, the worst it will be for the players.

[Lukha]

Did he recently say they're 'definitely not doing a glamour log', or was Arutan just misinterpreting what was said at Fanfest about it being possible, but not something they currently have the staff to work on?

[Arutan]

For people asking the source it is a Q&A in a french article made during the Press Tour which the embargo ended the may 31th

JOL : Les mirages sont un aspect très populaire de Final Fantasy XIV. Vous avez annonce une augmentation de la taille des inventaires, mais cela pourrait ne pas suffire. Avez-vous envisager un système permettant de conserver les mirages sans devoir garder la pièce d’équipement dans un inventaire ? Comme un catalogue en quelques sortes.

NY : Il y a deux raisons qui nous empêchent de faire cela.

Cote serveur, sauvegarder toutes les données nécessaires reviendrait au même que d'augmenter la taille de l'inventaire. Et si nous implantions ce système cote client, non seulement vous perdriez vos données si vous changiez de plateforme, mais en plus il y aurait un risque de triche car ces données pourraient être modifiées par les joueurs.

De plus, si nous permettions aux joueurs de conserver leur mirages, cela pourrait affecter l’économie du jeu car les pièces perdraient très vite de la valeur s'il suffisait de ne les obtenir qu'une fois.

Nous pourrions peut être envisager d'ajouter un historique des mirages pour aider les joueurs a choisir quelles pièces garder.

Translation (by me)

JOL: Glamours are a famous aspect of FFXIV. You annunced an augmentation of inventory's size, but this could not be enough. Have you considered a system allowing us to conserve the glamours without having to keep the gear in the inventory? Like a log for example.

Yoshida: There's two reasons keeping us from doing it.

Server side, saving all the necessary datas would be the same as increasing inventory size. And if we were setting up this system client side, you would lose all your datas when changing platform and there would be a risk to cheat because some player would edit the datas.

Moreover, if we were enabling players to keep their glamour, this could affect the game's economy because gears would fastly lose their value as you would need to obtain them only once.

We could consider adding a glamour historic to help people choose the gears to keep.

http://www.jeuxonline.info/article/1...-naoki-yoshida

[Naunet]

For people asking the source it is a Q&A in a french article made during the Press Tour which the embargo ended the may 31th



Translation (by me)


http://www.jeuxonline.info/article/1...-naoki-yoshida

This is... awful. Yoshida, no. Just... no. I refuse to believe your devs are that incompetent that they can't figure out how to design a glamour log when many other MMOs manage this with absolutely zero issue.

Also to address his other points...

People are not purchasing million+ gil crafted items to glamour them once and then throwing away the item. THEY ALREADY ONLY BUY THINGS ONCE. Not having a glamour log is literally only HARMING your playerbase. It strains our inventory and retainers to the point of bursting. It adds stress and frustration as we try to navigate the overly convoluted process of glamour and accessing inventories. The limit of what we can store also puts a steady pressure to ultimately NOT engage in content. I literally have NO motivation to run content right now because I cannot store any more effin' armors for glamour.

To put this in perspective, I resubbed to WoW about 5 months ago after being away for 4 years. I've not even bought Legion yet. But I've remained subbed and happy just slowly farming up old armor sets and things to unlock in the transmog log. If you want to maintain subscriptions, encouraging people to farm armor appearances is THE way to do it. There is a reason your players say "Glamour is the real endgame" - because it is the CORE motivation that keeps players going back into content long after they've mastered it. However, what point is there in doing that when I cannot actually store any of the potential armors that I could get? Why would I ever want to go in and farm Dun Scaith or whatever when I have no room for the gear? Why bother with farming Alexander, or buying the numerous crafted items? Why bother making any Mogstation purchases? I have no room to store any of it, so I don't do it!!!

[savageink]

I literally have NO motivation to run content right now because I cannot store any more effin' armors for glamour.

To put this in perspective, I resubbed to WoW about 5 months ago after being away for 4 years. I've not even bought Legion yet. But I've remained subbed and happy just slowly farming up old armor sets and things to unlock in the transmog log. If you want to maintain subscriptions, encouraging people to farm armor appearances is THE way to do it. There is a reason your players say "Glamour is the real endgame" - because it is the CORE motivation that keeps players going back into content long after they've mastered it. However, what point is there in doing that when I cannot actually store any of the potential armors that I could get? Why would I ever want to go in and farm Dun Scaith or whatever when I have no room for the gear? Why bother with farming Alexander, or buying the numerous crafted items? Why bother making any Mogstation purchases? I have no room to store any of it, so I don't do it!!!

Absolultely! It's like no matter how many times we try to point out that people like collecting things, not using them and throwing them out, they just seem to stick their fingers in their ears and go "Lalalala!" Then a few months later they add to basic inventory which fixes nothing but shuts some people up for a few weeks until it's full again. My armor literally takes up half my armory and half my on hand inventory. Once Stormblood starts, my armor will probably have enough space to move into the armory but then new stuff comes. My 2 retainers (i refuse to pay for more) are full of crafting and house and special items that they haven't put in the chest for no known reason. Since I'm not hardcore on crafting and only do it when I feel like it, I can live without a crafting bank, but I feel sorry for crafters. A real glam log, though, would fix every storage problem I have, now that Apartments are getting an item bump.

Anyway, the collector urge is what drives people to go back in to get the full set of armor, and there is a significant number of people who want to collect them all. Ignoring that is a disservice to the players.