How is SAM not going to be bonkers OP in non raid content?

[Gamer3427]

The initial impression of SAM being way too strong DPS wise is my concern as well. I'm sure it'll fit in fine with raid groups, as that was the intent of the high DPS, but for farming groups and non-raid content, I expect we'll be seeing a lot of issues where SAM is just too powerful compared to other DPS classes, which in turn will cause a lot of people to complain about runs being too slow if there aren't SAMs in the party. There will also be those who try and blame non-SAMs for low DPS at times just because the "other dps" has so much damage output, even when the non-SAM player is preforming quite well in their role. In terms of the meta, and raiding, I do think SAM needs the high DPS to maintain a competitive slot there without having many support skills. That being said, full on raiding is roughly 1% of the player base last I heard, so focusing on balancing it for that content, rather than the entire rest of the game, might have been the wrong move. From the initial impressions, it also seems to be focused more on doing heavy damage over a long amount of time, rather than preforming short bursts, so it is a possibility that SAM won't shine as well in short encounters, but it'll definitely be a boss-killer. Of course, everything we have is speculation, hearsay, and theory-crafting based on what we know, rather than what we've played with, so it IS possible that once players get used to new rotations and skills, (probably at least a month or two for the playerbase as a whole), then we might see it balance out a bit more in normal content so that SAM isn't considered so OP it needs a nerf. We'll have to wait until we've had our hands on things for a bit before we can say anything with any real certainty.....

[Adventica6]

^ Please learn how to form paragraphs and use proper sentence structure without constant run-on sentences. I couldn't even grasp what you were saying because of your block of text.

People will also be more willing to communicate with you if they can understand you.

[Gamer3427]

^ Please learn how to form paragraphs and use proper sentence structure without constant run-on sentences. I couldn't even grasp what you were saying because of your block of text.

People will also be more willing to communicate with you if they can understand you.

Funny, because you're literally one of maybe ten people I've ever had complain about it in my 10 years of forum experience, while others can understand my paragraphs with little issue. Perhaps you just need a tutor to teach you how to read something that is over a couple of sentences long. Grammatically speaking, while my sentences aren't considered "proper" for use in formal writing, in that I don't break them up into multiple sentences for every little thing, they're also not considered grammatically incorrect for an informal setting, as I use proper punctuation and phrasing. The only thing that is truly considered a problem is my use of a series of dots at the end of my paragraphs, which is simply a typing signature of mine I've been using since I first started on forums, and it harms nothing other than the feelings of those who believe an informal setting such as internet forums should use the wording and writing styles of an English professor, even when many other posts fail to use so much as proper capitalization or the spell check that is built in to just about everything these days......

Sorry, do I need to use smaller words and sentences for you?

[Yahallo]

Sorry, do I need to use smaller words and sentences for you?

Add another person to the complaint list. And the issue isn't reading comprehension, it's eye movement. I have a hard time reading your post because my eye loses its position in that wall which necessitates multiple readings and can be a pain. Note how Adventica is getting likes on her post. Also, no need to be smug about it.

Also the issue with balancing based on "normal" content is because there is no real risk to them. They are face-roll; they are neigh impossible to fail. If people complain about slow runs then well they can apologize and suck it up, get kicked, or leave and suffer the 30 minute penalty. Balance is based on raid content (I'm going to include extreme primals) as it is the only thing that is an actual challenge and where balance would play a part while forming parties.

Honestly, people already deal subpar dps as it is, and by this point people are probably used to it. Besides, it isn't like they can really accuse your dps of being low without admitting to the use of parsers, which you can report then for. Sure they can say things like calculating it by head using the battle log, but that opens them up to so many counter arguments.

[Arkdra]

Gamer3427 I think you've made a lot of claims in that block of text that aren't going to pan out. But let's set that all aside and let me ask you a question; When was the last time you got into a dungeon and had anyone bemoaning the lack of a monk? Because my answer to that is literally never and monks do crazy personal dps.

[Gamer3427]

Gamer3427 I think you've made a lot of claims in that block of text that aren't going to pan out. But let's set that all aside and let me ask you a question; When was the last time you got into a dungeon and had anyone bemoaning the lack of a monk? Because my answer to that is literally never and monks do crazy personal dps.

They do, but the initial impression of SAM based on the potencies are that it's like MNK, but on steroids, in terms of personal damage. I also wasn't stating anything as fact, just speculating as well, since right now speculation is all we have. We know some of the raw potencies, but we won't know how it all works out in practice until a few weeks from now. I'm just worried about the backlash we might get in the DF/PF if SAM does prove to be too strong compared to other DPS classes in non-raid content. The DF has been rather tame for a few months due to most of the more "intense" players taking a break between patches, but I've seen the DF at its worse, and seen more than a few times when players got kicked due to runs going too slowly, even when they couldn't speed it up much even if they were playing better. Once again, nothing is certain until SB actually hits, but we're here on the forums to speculate and discuss, so we might as well do so based on what we have....

[Daralii]

They do, but the initial impression of SAM based on the potencies are that it's like MNK, but on steroids, in terms of personal damage. I also wasn't stating anything as fact, just speculating as well, since right now speculation is all we have. We know some of the raw potencies, but we won't know how it all works out in practice until a few weeks from now.

To be fair, SAM will probably be better viewed than HW monk just because they do a slashing debuff, which is infinitely more useful than blunt.

[Gamer3427]

To be fair, SAM will probably be better viewed than HW monk just because they do a slashing debuff, which is infinitely more useful than blunt.

True enough. Over all, I'm honestly just a bit cautious about SAM as it's been presented so far. It'll probably work out perfectly fine when SB hits, but the idea of a class that relies on pure damage and self-sustainability doesn't really sit well with me since I've seen it done before in a lot of games, and it almost always becomes either game breaking in single player, or a must pick in multiplayer. I do have faith in SE, but past experiences leave me with doubts......

[Imakun]

I don't get why people are comparing SAM to MNK. It's blatantly obvious to me that SAM is basically a physical BLM. They have almost no party support and can dish out burst damage.
It requires management of combos and gauge to spend to do anything like BLM manages its stances, Enochian and Ley Lines. It looks like you can't just stand there and spam 1 or 2 WS and do WTFPWNS damage, you need to build it up with the right combos and Iaijutsu first, just like setting up Fire IV and Flare/Foul on BLM.

Both SAM and RDM seems very technical and gimmicky with all the stuff and preparations during their rotations, I wouldn't be worried about seeing SAM everywhere. It'll settle down after a while like it always happens.

(Also the +150% damage for that SAM ability thing appears to be a typo on the English tooltip, other sources like the JP interviews and the likes report a +50%.)

[MomoOG]

I find it odd that people parrot the philosophy that "casual pve content" is irrelevant to game balance.

First of all time is an extremely valuable resource to everyone. This is true whether people are casuals andhave less time to play or hardcore min/maxers. Being able to run dungeons or solo pve content at a much faster right will definitely impact a good portion of people's decision as to what class to play.

Then there always the psychologic aspect of pve balance. If I am in a dungeon with dps class x next to a SAM and absolutely see him obliterating mobs next to me I will feel like a pathetic weakling. Same thing is true in solo content if it is taking me 30 seconds to kill a mob and a SAM walks by me and two shots his mob next to me. Most players would be pretty enraged at that sight. Playing an MMORPG you want to feel like a badass hero. The psychology pve balance will leave a very bad taste and in people's mouths if the game makes them feel like weaklings.

Now it might end up that SAM do it s not that much higher. However if it is absurdly higher I guarantee there will be an outcry about it. I've seen it plenty of times in other games with "casual pve content". I'm just hoping the devs aren't creating a headache for themselves with current SAM design.
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