Where are the Raids??

[C0NNECTION_LOST]

I hear people talking about the new raid?? But Deltascape is just a series of primal type battles. Though fun and nostalgic, a raid from what I remember, needs multiple parties and takes an hour or so to do. How do they call this a raid when all you need is a 8 man party and few minutes of your time. I hope to see some more 24 man content in the future. Will that ever happen??

[Pence]

24 man raids happen every odd numbered patch. (4.1, 4.3 and 4.5) and will be 'Return to Ivalice'. 24mans are relatively easy, while 8 mans are where the challenge is at (Once the Savage version is released next week)

[Kurando]

Officially there are two types of raids, one with 8 players and another called Alliance raids with 24 players. Although the alliance ones could be completed in under half an hour or less than that, but I do remember Dun Scaith definitely reaching the time limit when it first came out and players were wiping like nobodies business. But yep, just like Pence said the challenge lies with the 8 man content more than anything, esp Savage.

[C0NNECTION_LOST]

Thanks for the info, I still don't think they should be called raids as all you are doing is fighting a single mob and just feels like a boss fight. Nonetheless, I do look forward to the bigger raids. I'm far from the competitive best in slot person and just want to get to a level to where I can least clear any new content without much trouble. At the moment I'm 303 Item level and am doing duties to get the 310 gear and just did 1.0 and doing 1 dungeon or primal a day with my dailies as RL does not give me more than 2 hrs a day.

[LathusWHM]

Thanks for the info, I still don't think they should be called raids as all you are doing is fighting a single mob and just feels like a boss fight. Nonetheless, I do look forward to the bigger raids. I'm far from the competitive best in slot person and just want to get to a level to where I can least clear any new content without much trouble. At the moment I'm 303 Item level and am doing duties to get the 310 gear and just did 1.0 and doing 1 dungeon or primal a day with my dailies as RL does not give me more than 2 hrs a day.

In what raid, in any other mmo have you fought 2 bosses simultaneously? Adds do not count as they are not a boss.

[Torquil]

In what raid, in any other mmo have you fought 2 bosses simultaneously? Adds do not count as they are not a boss.

I could really blow this out of the water and make a list two dozen long, but I won't...

The Rathe council in Everquest 1 (and source of the MMO term "council fight" which is a raid boss that consists of many individual target-able bosses. There's literally a term for what you are describing).
As early as Everquest 2's first expansion (perhaps early...but this is the earliest instance I'm aware of) there is a type of fight that involves 2 bosses and keeping them at roughly the same health. The first raid of Alexander in XIV is similar

That said, I don't think the number of bosses in the "boss encounter" matters to the OPs original point. You could easily have trials that involve multiple bosses as well.

The fundamental point is, there is nothing within the duty itself that differentiates an 8-man raid from a Trial. You are not "raiding" a "space". This has gotten worse with every expansion release. Fundamentally, I blame the fact that they feel the need to make the 8man raid's separately queueable. As long as that is a fundamental design point, you'll never get away with the "raids feel like trials" problem.

(This isn't an actual argument point, but I'll point it out since it's kinda funny. Not only are we not "raiding" deltascape, we're literally invited/threatened to participate. )

[Alisi]

In what raid, in any other mmo have you fought 2 bosses simultaneously? Adds do not count as they are not a boss.

OP wasn't talking about fighting two bosses together (though it's called a council fight when an encounter has more than one boss in it.) Other MMOs structure all their raids to be like the 24 man raids. If you come from WoW and are told the Omega is a raid, well, it just doesn't feel like a raid. There you clear trash, kill boss, clear trash, kill boss, etc. until it's finished.

[Penthea]

Thanks for the info, I still don't think they should be called raids as all you are doing is fighting a single mob and just feels like a boss fight.

Players call them raids because they're 8 man content. 24 man raids are technically 8 man content given that you can queue as a max of 8.

[KarstenS]

Players call them raids because they're 8 man content.

They call them raids as they (Savage) are the hardest current content in the game.

[Whiston]

raid
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noun
1.
a sudden attack on an enemy by troops, aircraft, or other armed forces in warfare.
"a bombing raid"
synonyms: attack, assault, descent, blitz, incursion, sortie