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  1. #131
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlogDog View Post
    I guess i had so much fun playing it I wiped all my memories of it for... reasons? I really did forget LoV completely and i even have the Shallow-eye rewarded from it, its like my favourite minion. So yes, LoV left a serious impact and if we get more content like that bring on one dungeon! /s
    It's quite telling how poorly received LoV was when we have the Make it Rain event going on and no one bothers with it on Balmung; the largest server in the game. Saying they missed the mark on this one would be a gross understatement. Which is why I'm forever nervous about Blitzball.
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  2. #132
    Player RaizeGraymalkin's Avatar
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    Volta Fross
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    I'm shocked to see people actually defend SE on this one. Their track record is painfully average, with "new" type content. They are going all in on Eureka it feels like. We know we'll probably gonna get Blitzball, which will be a catastrophic failure and we could've gotten dungeons instead. The expansion itself looks fantastic, but the road map going forward is super troubling and worrying. Also a lot of casuals like their dungeons and now they only get one? And QOL changes are now a major feature? Really? I'm really hoping some stuff got lost in translation or something, because basically what I'm hearing/seeing is "hey you're gonna get less content then before please look forward to it".
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  3. #133
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    Dungeons in this game aren't as fun as other things. My personal favorites are the 24 man's and the trials, as well as PotD. Actual dungeons? Pull everything+AoE. No thanks, I'll pass on that unengaging play style.
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  4. #134
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    Momomi Momi
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin View Post
    I'm shocked to see people actually defend SE on this one. Their track record is painfully average, with "new" type content. They are going all in on Eureka it feels like. We know we'll probably gonna get Blitzball, which will be a catastrophic failure and we could've gotten dungeons instead. The expansion itself looks fantastic, but the road map going forward is super troubling and worrying. Also a lot of casuals like their dungeons and now they only get one? And QOL changes are now a major feature? Really? I'm really hoping some stuff got lost in translation or something, because basically what I'm hearing/seeing is "hey you're gonna get less content then before please look forward to it".
    I for one simply don't like the dungeons. They're terrible and can barely even be called content. I quite simply don't do them because they don't interest me at all. You're still going to be getting an average of 1.5 dungeon per patch, so that seems fine to me. You're not losing that type of content if you like it.

    To give you an idea of how much I don't like dungeons, I've done expert roulette a grand total of about 10 times in the past year. I honestly don't even know which dungeons are in the current roulette.
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    Last edited by MomomiMomi; 06-02-2017 at 12:26 PM.

  5. #135
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin View Post
    I'm shocked to see people actually defend SE on this one. Their track record is painfully average, with "new" type content. They are going all in on Eureka it feels like. We know we'll probably gonna get Blitzball, which will be a catastrophic failure and we could've gotten dungeons instead. The expansion itself looks fantastic, but the road map going forward is super troubling and worrying. Also a lot of casuals like their dungeons and now they only get one? And QOL changes are now a major feature? Really? I'm really hoping some stuff got lost in translation or something, because basically what I'm hearing/seeing is "hey you're gonna get less content then before please look forward to it".
    It's less a defense and more a willingness to see what they do come up with. Dungeons are little more than a chore half the time. I like a handful of them, however they are all mindless. If something better comes from this, I'm open to it. On the other hand, if they do fumble again, we all can voice our discontent or simply unsub. After all, the best way to force change when companies screw up is to stop giving them money. They don't like that.
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  6. #136
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    Chewy2nd's Avatar
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    I mean, honestly, trading 3 dungeons (maybe 2, if 4.55 has a dungeon) for more experimental content is a no brainer, sure Diadem crashed and burned, but at least they tried to make something new there (also, it's timing in the expansion kind rendered it pointless anyway). On the other hand, you get Palace of the Dead, which is a fantastic piece of content and feels pretty integral to leveling now. I don't think I'll really be that bothered losing 2 or 3 dungeons, since, I just daydream through them anyway after a week or two. Basically at the moment, the only variety I feel a second dungeon brings is a new background. In any case, I believe Deep Dungeon will be expanded on throughout the expansion anyway, which is a dungeon in of itself, just with a different twist.
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  7. #137
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    You all... talk about how bad and boring dungeons are... but praise PotD so much... I just... can't even...

    Excuse me... I need to go vomit...
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  8. #138
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    Firkmann Solksthalsyn
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    So let me understand this clearly......we go from 3 dungeons per patch in ARR to 2 per patch in HW then to 1 per odd patch in Stormblood. Does anyone not see the pattern here? They are reducing the content we receive every expansion! So if this pattern holds in 5.0......we will then get no dungeons in 5.1, then 2 dungeons in 5.2, then none again in 5.3 and so on, so on. Now for all those that say "O but they stated we would get new content during those odd patches except the dungeon." Guess what, we already do!

    Its called 24 mans, its called Diadem, its called POTD....all these things were added during odd # patches in HW with still 2 dungeons. Now, they are doing the same minus as I stated....less content. So SE basically decided to make less content for their playerbase since they want to do less work......got ya! I also understand you may not care or you hate dungeons....some of us don't. I personally cannot see it any other way except wanting to do less work for the same amount of money!
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    I guess it's my fate as a Dark Knight. Soon, I won't even feel any remorse for my actions!-Cecil Harvey-FFIV DRK

  9. #139
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    I said a few pages ago that I wouldn't mind having less dungeon for better content, but I do have a question: WHAT content? What is their new content they boast about? What new content are they planning? I am legit concerned about this because I don't really recall much being told beside Eureka (I think) and maybe some minor additions, but have they actually mentioned what the new content will be? How can I get hyped without knowing what we're getting?

    Glad this expansion has a higher budget I guess!
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  10. #140
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus View Post
    You all... talk about how bad and boring dungeons are... but praise PotD so much... I just... can't even...
    Well I did like the idea behind PotD but I agree that its not that much fun. With a four man group you should have no problems from 1-100 and everything after that is not reachable with pugs, so you need three other people that all need time too. The only challenge the palace gave me was with solo play. I was killed on 120 and found out that everything after 150/180 is not doable solo..so it kinda killed that content for me too. x) I do say that its still better than Diadem and LoV but really I also dont think that people would run it that much if it hadnt that good exp.

    But in a way we need content that people are willing to run without some really big carrot on the stick. (You will need one but PotD really overdoes it with its carrots)

    In a way thanks to the track record of them I dont feel good about the information..because they simply did not show me that they are able to create long lasting content. Also after all the cash shop sales and other stuff one would believe that they are able to do more and not less content..I mean they someone managed to do all that in ARR and yet now where they should have more experience with the genre too and everything, we will get less?

    LoV could have been so much better. Just make it like pokemon and not this stuff. This would have made me as a pet collector really happy and I could have seen myself doing lots of this stuff. Yet I only did LoV long enough to get the prince pet and I just cant see myself doing it again.

    Chocobo racing and other stuff in the golden saucer are fun but sadly are neglected. No new racing track for example and you will have no chance in the challenges if you dont have a great chocobo.

    They killed TT for me with all their RNG and unfair cards for NPCs. You need just one hell of a time to collect them all (and luck). Also they did nothing against the cheating in the tournaments.

    Aquapolis is a nice little content and one of their best ones imo but its still over quite fast depending on luck. I wish that they would have done more with it. Maybe some kind of riddle to go against the RNG or instead of kicking people out you would get harder monsters and which each fail you will get less of a chance to survive this. They could have decreased the loot a little and only put the big ones in the last chest but without that much RNG on top of RNG people would have reached the end more often.

    Still they either have content that is over way to fast thus does not help against feeling bored at endgame (like Aquapolis, Khloe and Zhloe) or they have content that you need to do all the time to get everything (like TT or even PVP). I hope that they will find a way to have content that is grindy but not so much that you will never get everything if you dont play it all the time. At the same time it should not be overfilled with that much loot which will destroy the market too. Really I feel like a trash can after some PotD runs. Also it would be nice not to have to run the content because it has the best weapon or armor but because its fun and a nice way to pass your time if you want to take a break from the other stuff.

    I know that this is probably not easy to do but if they want to create meaningful and long lasting content they need to create something like that.

    In the end I want to use more than one aspect of the game. I want to fight, gather, craft, do some side content like gold saucer and more. I dont want to have to put in hours of running the same dungeon or fighting against an awful NPC just to get one TT card..so please SE dont create content with people in your mind that will only run that content and nothing else. You are a more casual game, a theme park, so please let people ride more than one attraction and not having to focus on one part to get everything. I know that this might be bad for people that only care about one aspect of the game but those will go even through the most grindy content really fast.

    Also please dont forget your old content like chocobo racing. You dont need to recreate the wheel every time. Sometimes its already helping if you add to your existing content or make it better.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 06-02-2017 at 07:42 PM.

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