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    Nowakii's Avatar
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    Nowaki Yoko
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    Another SCH complain

    ..Because why not!

    First i understand we are not as a bad as WHM, i feel really bad for them.... but the thing is WHM problems kinda overshadowed our owns, basically "SCH didt get hit as hard as WHM did" yeah thats true, but that doesnt mean we didnt got hit pretty bad....
    The reason i feel inlove with SCH was no more no less than its AOE power.... it was feels so damm good to kill a bunch of stuff with your insane amount of dots (i think about shadowflare as a field dot) while your fairy healed.... it was so beautiful while leveling and still is in dungeons.....Now our AOe power will be non existance.... yeah they buffed out single target skill, but we lost 2 dots (bio and aero) so they pretty much nullify each other....I hate doing Level roulette because when i get placed in low level dungeons, its so painful not to have my Bane and my Shadowflare, now we will pretty much just remove Bane from our skillbar....

    So yeah they took what made the SCH fun (for me).... On the other Hand we lose sustain ! for absolutly no reason ! what i liked about sustain was that i could just say "oh youre dying, but im kinda busy right now so here, sustain" what made sustain good was that you didnt need to target the fairy to use it, you could still focus on whatever you were doing and just cast sustain inbetween... now you cant.

    Hey! but at least we still have our shields right? they are really nice.... only that now Ast can do it better, with better heal potency.... So not only they heal more we do, but they also shield better than we do! ... and lets not get into their new OP 900 potency (plus modifiers from stances) AOE heal.....So AST basically, have better heal numbers than WHM, with better shields than SCH, plus better aoe dmg (gravity is better than our trash bane), and amazing paty utility (MP/TP aoe regen from cards... plus the usual cards they already had)...

    But... but... but we have our fairy! that let us focus more on DPS letting us stay longer in Cleric stanc... Oh wait there's no more cleric stance anymore ! (well there is... but you what i mean)....

    Lets try looking at the bright side.... we have.... emmm.... a new critical debuff that hardly compesates everything we lose?... and ugh a single target buff-like skill that will heal the tank if hp drops bellow 50% for a tank burst? (that will last.. what 30s top? i doubt itll be anything near 1 minute), isnt it beter for ast to use the OP skill for tank burst that happens to be aoe too?
    (not to mention the lose of Virus, Aetherflow nerf only restoring 10% mp)

    Is there any reason not to go AST at this point? i mean they can do EVERYTHING we can, but better, waaaaaaaay better.

    TL;DR im just annoyed/pissed and had to let it out.
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  2. #2
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    Seolla Viltara
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Some things you don't need to worry about. The new AST AoE heal Earthly Star is a neat move, and it plays well off people who know a fight. You can drop it in a stack spot and let it build up, then pop it after a scheduled AoE attack for solid results. A good reactionary move if you know the fight but with a time-delay mechanic that is part of the AST design base. Its analog is SCH's excogitation which is equially interesting, as it's the ultimate safety for those raid moments when the boss hits the tank with a buster and then follows immediately with an auto-attack. Remember seeing tanks keel over if the follow up heal was a little mistimed? Well, not anymore! Probably the closest mechanic-wise they'll let us get to reraise.

    AST shields are better, but their accompanied healing is not, so we'll just see how that goes. Regardless with chain strategem you don't really have to worry about SCH falling off because that's a useful enough utility that AST isn't going to domineer the shielding spot. They'll be able to cover it, but it shouldn't be an issue no matter which role the AST takes. SCH shields are still strong, and you can actually still make them stronger with the shared divine seal, as it effects adlo more than aspbene due to the higher healing potency. I wouldn't worry about this, in other words.

    I won't say anything refuting the DPS issue because honestly it's bad. Really bad. They took all the toys away and left nothing in their place. Two dots, Bane nerfed to hell and absolutely no other AoE to speak of, and shadowflare on a 60 second cooldown... yeah, SCH are probably lowest tier AoE DPS in the game. :-[

    Where is this Aetherflow 10% coming from? The videos I check still list it as 20% in their tooltip. Did someone just misread the level 68 talent which gives a 20% chance to reduce the Aetherflow cooldown by 10 seconds? Also you can role-buy the regen skill as well if you like (and we probably will).
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    Last edited by LegoTechnic; 06-01-2017 at 02:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegoTechnic View Post

    Where is this Aetherflow 10% coming from? The videos I check still list it as 20% in their tooltip. Did someone just misread the level 68 talent which gives a 20% chance to reduce the Aetherflow cooldown by 10 seconds? Also you can role-buy the regen skill as well if you like (and we probably will).
    I believe it came from the JP tooltips, many of which are slightly different than the English ones and more accurate.
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    In this gameplay video you can see the mp restore value as 10% at 27 seconds in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aACxFdXW7CY
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    Which is confusing, because this video is from the same San Francisco media tour: https://youtu.be/qGE10nM_OQ8
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    My guess would be its a mistranslation or an oversight in the tooltip itself as sad as that is :/
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    Are translations from the JP media tour found anywhere that we could see them? They probably have more accurate values all over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegoTechnic View Post
    Which is confusing, because this video is from the same San Francisco media tour: https://youtu.be/qGE10nM_OQ8
    We need to keep in mind this was a couple of weeks ago and things could have changed.
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    Yeah this should be the link to all the scholar stuff. https://www.famitsu.com/news/201705/...4.html?page=12
    Just for giggles, yes, that's an embrace potency nerf as well.
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    Last edited by MsTanya; 06-01-2017 at 03:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsTanya View Post
    Yeah this should be the link to all the scholar stuff. https://www.famitsu.com/news/201705/...4.html?page=12
    Just for giggles, yes, that's an embrace potency nerf as well.
    What kind of monster nerfs fairy hugs?
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    Last edited by LegoTechnic; 06-01-2017 at 03:18 PM.

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