Samurai Discussion

[Arkenne]

DoTs usually have more value the sooner they are applied, so maybe Hakaze -> Yukikaze -> Higanbana may be the way to go.
Higanbana's DoT may not be affected by the Slashing Debuff just like NIN's DoTs work, but it gets started way earlier than going the route of Hakaze -> Jinpu -> Gekko -> Higanbana.

I'm liking it that you get to choose what you want to begin with, if power or speed. Personally I would go for speed tho, with Shifu.

[Yorumi]

I feel like you want to not yaten/gyoten, since staying in would allow you to shinten more via hagakure since you are also generating more kenki through your melee attacks after you dump into shinten. if you jump out and in you are only generating 10 kenki for enbi. but you're spending 5 less i suppose. in addition that's 1 gcd where you are generating both (i believe) 10 kenki less than you would normally and also not comboing toward your next sen.

I think sam is going to be fairly complicated actually. Trying to figure out maximum potency per gcd is interesting. There's the question of is it better to do a yaten > Enbi > gyoten combo or just continue to save for shinten. The yaten combo is more efficient on keniki but also doesn't build any sen. In terms of sen building midare seems to be always better than haganbana, but yukikaze is the lower potency combo and doesn't need to be refreshed as fast as you can get through the whole rotation of 3 combos. So maybe it's best to do all 3, midare, one combo, hagan, and get all 3 again for midare. Now the problem though is it's a 60 second dot and we don't want to clip it. And then there's meditate to throw into the mix which shuts off auto attack. Certainly complicated but I like that.

[Tsilyi]

Yes, Yorumi. I agree to an extent. I just wonder if it will come down to if you are yaten enbi gyoten on CD on a purely tank and spank boss, and assuming let's say for simplicity's sake that's 1 gcd lost toward your next sen, how many times would you have to do that to lose a MSG on say a 3 or 5 minute encounter or what have you. It'll be interesting to figure out. I don't know that I'll jump out and in unless it's a marked increase in dps because i feel it's better to save it for if you need it. I doubt the kenki spent in difference will matter too much. over that same course of time then, the potency would be (I think)

yaten enbi gyoten = 100 300 100
shinten hakaze shinten = 300 150 300

this is of course assuming you start with at minimum the 60 kenki from 3sen hagakure

[ShaolinMike]

These skill names...I'm gonna need a cheat sheet until I learn them all lol.

[Tsilyi]

These skill names...I'm gonna need a cheat sheet until I learn them all lol.

i know i may look like i know them, but i am checking and rechecking every one to make sure when i type, i promise LMAO.

[Arkenne]

These skill names...I'm gonna need a cheat sheet until I learn them all lol.

Cheat Sheet

There ya go

Pic is a tad big so rather not paste it.

[ShaolinMike]

Cheat Sheet

There ya go

Pic is a tad big so rather not paste it.

Just found this in the original post too. Thanks!

[Tsilyi]

interestingly enough I feel as though it might be worth it to hissatsu: guren on cd if kenki allows, since for the cost of two shinten you gain 200 potency and use one ogcd. also not even really sure why starry eyes exists if it has the same cost as shinten but does less potency... unless you're able to double weave and have a lot of kenki to spare.

[Remus]

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I think the only time you would use meditate is basically when you can't hit the boss because they are not on the map or there are no adds because you can't move while meditating if you do it cancels it and it will go on cooldown.

[Yorumi]

I think the only time you would use meditate is basically when you can't hit the boss because they are not on the map or there are no adds because you can't move while meditating if you do it cancels it and it will go on cooldown.

Boss invulnerable periods are obvious but this one is at least easier to figure out. Can you get more potency from the keniki meditate generates or 15 seconds of auto-attacks. We'll need to get in the game to see that but it'll be known quickly.