Samurai Discussion

[Daioh]

After reading ExShikyo's reddit post that 3 Sen Hagakure would bring more dps then using the Sen on Midare Setsugeka,I decided to see if I could figure out a potential opener.
Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...urai/?sort=new

We've yet to confirm if Hissatsu: Kaiten effects Higanbana's DoT so I will post the same open twice,one if Kaiten works with the DoT,and one if it doesn't,but the opener is almost exactly the same regardless.

The K refers to how much Kenki you've built

Update: Improved Opener found here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4173631

I̶f̶ ̶K̶a̶i̶t̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶H̶i̶g̶a̶n̶b̶a̶n̶a̶'̶s̶ ̶D̶o̶T̶ ̶

̶"̶M̶e̶i̶k̶y̶o̶ ̶S̶h̶i̶s̶u̶i̶"̶ ̶>̶ ̶Y̶u̶i̶k̶i̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶1̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶G̶e̶k̶k̶o̶(̶2̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶K̶a̶s̶h̶a̶(̶3̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶"̶H̶a̶g̶a̶k̶u̶r̶e̶"̶(̶9̶0̶K̶)̶

̶H̶a̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶9̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶J̶i̶n̶p̶u̶(̶1̶0̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶"̶H̶i̶s̶s̶a̶t̶s̶u̶:̶ ̶G̶u̶r̶e̶n̶"̶(̶5̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶G̶e̶k̶k̶o̶(̶6̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶"̶H̶i̶s̶s̶a̶t̶s̶u̶:̶ ̶K̶a̶i̶t̶e̶n̶"̶(̶4̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶H̶i̶g̶a̶n̶b̶a̶n̶a̶(̶4̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶

̶H̶a̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶4̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶S̶h̶i̶f̶u̶(̶4̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶K̶a̶s̶h̶a̶(̶5̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶H̶a̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶6̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶Y̶u̶i̶k̶i̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶7̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶H̶a̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶7̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶J̶i̶n̶p̶u̶(̶8̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶G̶e̶k̶k̶o̶(̶9̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶"̶H̶i̶s̶s̶a̶t̶s̶u̶:̶ ̶K̶a̶i̶t̶e̶n̶"̶(̶7̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶M̶i̶d̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶S̶e̶t̶s̶u̶g̶e̶k̶k̶a̶

[Daioh]

Update: Improved Opener found here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4173631

I̶f̶ ̶K̶a̶i̶t̶e̶n̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶N̶O̶T̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶H̶i̶g̶a̶n̶b̶a̶n̶a̶'̶s̶ ̶D̶o̶T̶

̶"̶M̶e̶i̶k̶y̶o̶ ̶S̶h̶i̶s̶u̶i̶"̶ ̶>̶ ̶Y̶u̶i̶k̶i̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶1̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶G̶e̶k̶k̶o̶(̶2̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶K̶a̶s̶h̶a̶(̶3̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶"̶H̶a̶g̶a̶k̶u̶r̶e̶"̶(̶9̶0̶K̶)̶

H̶a̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶9̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶J̶i̶n̶p̶u̶(̶1̶0̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶"̶H̶i̶s̶s̶a̶t̶s̶u̶:̶ ̶G̶u̶r̶e̶n̶"̶(̶5̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶G̶e̶k̶k̶o̶(̶6̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶H̶i̶g̶a̶n̶b̶a̶n̶a̶(̶6̶0̶K̶)̶

H̶a̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶6̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶S̶h̶i̶f̶u̶(̶6̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶K̶a̶s̶h̶a̶(̶7̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶H̶a̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶8̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶Y̶u̶i̶k̶i̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶9̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶H̶a̶k̶a̶z̶e̶(̶9̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶J̶i̶n̶p̶u̶(̶1̶0̶0̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶"̶H̶i̶s̶s̶a̶t̶s̶u̶:̶ ̶S̶h̶i̶n̶t̶e̶n̶"̶(̶7̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶G̶e̶k̶k̶o̶(̶8̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶"̶H̶i̶s̶s̶a̶t̶s̶u̶:̶ ̶K̶a̶i̶t̶e̶n̶"̶(̶6̶5̶K̶)̶ ̶>̶ ̶M̶i̶d̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶S̶e̶t̶s̶u̶g̶e̶k̶k̶a̶


You'll start the fight with Yuikikaze which puts the slashing debuff right away which other slashing jobs would benifit from as well. When using Gekko and Kasha be sure to hit their postionals for 10 Kenki. Once you reach Jinpu in this
opener you'll hit 100 Kenki just as you get your 15% Damage up,thanks to this all your Hissatsu will benifit from both 15% Damage up and Slashing debuff. This is also why I would use Jinpu before Shifu as Shifu only boosts your GCDs and Auto-attacks and NOT your oGCDs which are your Hissatsu skills.

[Daioh]

As for why I didn't weave in more Hissatsu,you are free to do so(Mainly using Hissatsu: Shinten),but you might possibly want to time WHEN you use them with who you have in your party. "Example: You have a Ninja in your party you would try to squeeze them in during "Trick Attack" Just make sure you never waste any Kenki by hitting 100,I only added Hissatsu if the next GCD would've hit the 100 cap or if it was Kaiten for the 50% damage increase.
Also with pointing out is I used Hissatsu: Guren in the opener,but it largely depends on whether or not there will be multiple targets to hit with in the next 2 mins? If yes then rather save Guren for when they appear,if no then use Guren,which does more damage then two Shinten which costs the same amount of Kenki

This opener will take roughly about 30-35 secs

[Daioh]

After reaching Midare Setsugekka it's about priority:
Which of Jinpu,Shifu,and Yuikikaze's buffs are closer to falling off?
Is Higanbana's DoT almost done? If yes then get 1 Sen to put it back up.
When you get 3 Sen is Hagakure ready or almost ready and do you have 40 or less Kenki? If yes then use Hagakure,if no then use Midare Setsugekka instead while ALWAYS using it with Hissatsu: Kaiten

Special notes:
Iaijutsu does NOT break combos. "Example: You open 3 Sen for Midare Setsugekka but Jinpu's 15% Damage up falls off,you could do Hakaze > Jinpu > Midare Setsugekka > Gekko(Getsu Sen opens)"
Starry Eyes might possibly only cost 15 Kenki according to the Japanese tooltip + players experence. Based on the "5 Kenki=60 Potency" rule then Starry Eyes would be better to use over Hissatsu: Shinten. If it is 25 Kenki then there's no point to use it

[Daioh]

AoE Rotation pretty simple really

[Fuga > Mangetsu + Fuga > Oka] > Tenka Goken. Throw in "Hissatsu: Guren" and "Hissatsu: Kyuten" when best
One thing I considered was if Hissatsu: Kaiten might possibly increase Tenka Goken damage for all targets hit,but I believe Tenka Goken's damage fall off for more targets hit would make it a waste if Kenki and you'd be better of using Hissatsu: Kyuten instead.

If there are any mistakes I made or if there is a more potent opener please let me know.

This opener was made based on the information from the Media Tour event and can possibly change by the release of Stormblood.
I have also posted this on the reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...murai/did4trm/

Thanks for reading ^_^

[ShaolinMike]

Doesn't sound like an assassinate on this, just sounds like you can use it whenever and if you land a killing blow with it you get extra gauge. Might be a mistranslation, though.

Yeah I went back and re-read the tooltip. You're correct, according to what it currently says.

[MiruWest]

Yeah I went back and re-read the tooltip. You're correct, according to what it currently says.

Ageha is, indeed, a assassinate skill. If you watch Merri's video you will see that the skill does not light up to be used until the mob was at 20%.

[PROBOUND]

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Great opener theory. I'm working on an XIVRotations image capture based on it in photoshop to help visualize as these Japanese names probably make others head spin as well. Where would you insert the POT in this opener?

[Coltvoyance]

It is interesting in the Reddit post his response on Yaten,Enbi,Gyoten (YEG). He's correct that the tooltip says "Bonus" potency 300 as if it's in addition to the 100 making it a 400 potency move and the combo itself 600. Which would make it very worthwhile in rotations, TP permitting.

We'll have to see how things really are on the 16th.

[mosaicex]

It is interesting in the Reddit post his response on Yaten,Enbi,Gyoten (YEG). He's correct that the tooltip says "Bonus" potency 300 as if it's in addition to the 100 making it a 400 potency move and the combo itself 600. Which would make it very worthwhile in rotations, TP permitting.

We'll have to see how things really are on the 16th.

The Japanese tooltip just says "Enbi effect up (which you get from executing Yaten) potency : 300 "

The English might be worded weirdly, but it's just that, potency from having enhanced Enbi = 300. The current 3 MCH's weaponskill tooltips also have this kind of weird wording regarding ammo's effect and bonus potency.