Samurai Discussion

[Allyrion]

Quick potency cheatsheet for Kenki spenders on single target (in case it's helpful to anyone) -

Potency per Kenki
Kaiten: Higanbana - 23.5
Kaiten: Midare Setsugekka - 18
Hissatsu: Guren - 16
Hissatsu: Seigan - 13.33
Hissatsu: Shinten - 12

[Leonus]

Quick priority guide for samurai. Might not be 100% accurate but it's pretty solid to me.

https://m.imgur.com/a/NXNgk

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ort=confidence

Also, to add to this, I think you shouldn't use meikyo Sushui after the 2nd attack of a 3 step combo. Would be better to hold it until after you obtained the Sen you would have gotten from performing that combo anyway. I say this simply because you get the most use out M Sishui (3 whole sen) vs 2 since you would have obtained the 1st out of the 3 anyway. What do y'all think?

[treuhavik]

Quick priority guide for samurai. Might not be 100% accurate but it's pretty solid to me.

https://m.imgur.com/a/NXNgk

Foremost SAM Opener - Credit: Dervy
Hakaze > Shifu > Kasha > Hagakure
Hakaze > Jinpu > Gekko > H: Kaiten > Haganbana
Meikyo > Yukikaze > Gekko > H: Guren > Kasha > H: Kaiten > Midare

[Mordred]

Foremost SAM Opener - Credit: Dervy
Hakaze > Shifu > Kasha > Hagakure
Hakaze > Jinpu > Gekko > H: Kaiten > Haganbana
Meikyo > Yukikaze > Gekko > H: Guren > Kasha > H: Kaiten > Midare

That is certainly interesting. Using Hagakure only on one sen. I wonder what's the justification on it.

I personally use :
Hakaze > Shifu > Kasha
Hakaze > Jinpu > H: Kaiten > Haganbana > Gekko
Meikyo > Yukikaze > Kasha > Hagakure > Gekko
Hakaze > Shifu > Kasha > Hakaze > Yukikaze > H: Kaiten > Midare

[Nominous]

Yo dudes. 70 SAM here, and contributed to the following thread-

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ort=confidence
(Is Igshar Dervy? If so, his work for the DRG community is certainly appreciated here with SAM!)

So as a TL;DR to what I posted there, here's the absolute simplest form (not including the opener) of the SAM rotation:

Hakaze>Shifu>Kasha
Hakaze>Jinpu>Gekko
Hakaze>Yukikaze>Kaiten+Midare

Or... if you are more visual, that is unlocking Sen in a clockwise fashion (based on the Job gauge). If you start getting out of order for whatever reason, just prioritize getting out Midare, followed by refreshing buffs in the following priority: Speed>Damage>Slashing. Read the rest of my comment there for in-depth stuff, let me know if you guys want it posted here though.

SAM feels pretty good in end-game content so far. I would love to see what numbers it's capable of, though my initial thought is that they aren't too much more powerful than the other melee. I definitely feel that Jinpu should have stayed at 15% from the media tour build. Kaiten applying to Higanbana is hilarious, though, so I'll take it.

[Shinji2787]

Foremost SAM Opener - Credit: Dervy
Hakaze > Shifu > Kasha > Hagakure
Hakaze > Jinpu > Gekko > H: Kaiten > Haganbana
Meikyo > Yukikaze > Gekko > H: Guren > Kasha > H: Kaiten > Midare

Is there a link to his support for that rotation? I thought Shifu doesn't affect the dot and because of that Yukikaze would benefit the dot more? I'm just curious because I know Dervy always has strong support for his rotations and I like learning about them.

[Allyrion]

Is there a link to his support for that rotation? I thought Shifu doesn't affect the dot and because of that Yukikaze would benefit the dot more? I'm just curious because I know Dervy always has strong support for his rotations and I like learning about them.

A lot of Darcy's derivations have worked under the assumption that you have a WAR applying the slashing debuff. They are usually labeled as such - Opener (/w NIN/WAR).

I'm guessing that's the case here too but since I haven't seen Dervy's post on this one, confirmation would be good. Still, that seems extremely likely just looking at that opener. I would do the Yukihaze combo in place of Kasha if no one else is providing that debuff.

[treuhavik]

Is there a link to his support for that rotation? I thought Shifu doesn't affect the dot and because of that Yukikaze would benefit the dot more? I'm just curious because I know Dervy always has strong support for his rotations and I like learning about them.

http://thebalanceffxiv.com/

A lot of Darcy's derivations have worked under the assumption that you have a WAR applying the slashing debuff. They are usually labeled as such - Opener (/w NIN/WAR).

"to be used w/o nin/war as well for now"

Research is ongoing, afaik, and I'm sure Dervy will come to the forums upon conclusion.

[Aquaslash]

Research is ongoing, afaik, and I'm sure Dervy will come to the forums upon conclusion.

Negative. He was banned forever ago for speak of certain measuring equipment...

[Shinji2787]

http://thebalanceffxiv.com/




"to be used w/o nin/war as well for now"

Research is ongoing, afaik, and I'm sure Dervy will come to the forums upon conclusion.

Oh awesome thank you for the redirect! That channel has a lot of the discussion points I've been looking for!