Samurai Discussion

[Owl_Hawk]

my personal feedback on the abilities mainly comes down to this:

The "Starry Eyes" ability that is used after Proccing a hit taken while having "Third Eye" up...should have an additional effect: halves Enmity

For the cost of the ability "25 Kenki" it does 100 less potency than Hissatsu: Shinten...so it makes NO SENSE to even have that ability there as it is now...4.0 is meant to remove pointless abilities yet here is this (And yes I know this is not final patch notes...but its worth pointing it out incase they DO leave it as is)

The 1/2 enmity will be extremely useful when tanks lose aggro (which happens ALOT to me now when I play monk....many tanks STILL don't know how to pump that enmity! ; ; )

Given how powerful SAM's hits are meant to be...I wouldn't be surprised if they will be taking aggro alot..and so the Additional Effect will go a looooong way for this class AND makes this ability a good one to utilize in roulletes and whatnot.

Giving it an effect like generates kenki or one of the Sens will drive healers insane and be too dangerous..so this is the best solution since Diversion has a 2 min CD and might not be ready for each trash pack in dungeons and whatnot.

[Tinkerblue]

For the cost of the ability "25 Kenki" it does 100 less potency than Hissatsu: Shinten...

I believe it will cost 15 Kenki. It was updated somewhere, but correct me if I'm mistaken. I do agree that SAM looks like it will need all the help we can get to minimize aggro.

[Owl_Hawk]

I believe it will cost 15 Kenki. It was updated somewhere, but correct me if I'm mistaken. I do agree that SAM looks like it will need all the help we can get to minimize aggro.

perhaps they did correct it somewhere..I am not up to date with some of the corrections...but if it is indeed 15 kenki for 200pot then it will be worth getting hit to use Starry Eyes to max DPS which means healers are going to have a fit :s since 300pot for Shinten costs 25kenki = 300/25 = 12 pot per kenki...and 200 pot for 15 200/15= 13.3333....it seems little the +1.33...but thats a bit more than +10% dmg...if it is 15 kenki, then they should keep it to 15 and reduce its potency to be less than the 12 pot per kenki but add the -1/2 or even 1/4 enmity or risk SAMs getting hit just whether because they got aggro or on purpose to max dmg...which will cause healers and tanks to possibly just leave group when they see us ; ;

[Tinkerblue]

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As a healer main, I hope no one purposely gets hit for such a reason. As a possible SAM main, I think it's good to pop 3rd eye for unavoidable damage where heals would be given to party anyway (no wasted healer time).

[EdwinLi]

I am curious if SAM may get that Nerf Hammer due to how strong it is.

it has a lot of high potency skills than any melee DPS in the game currently with no Position requirments.

Just look at these skills!

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Samurai

Basic 123 combo starts with 150 potency damage on Hakaze, 1 skill, jump to a 280 potency damage on Jinpu/shufu then a 400 potency on Gekko/kasha, the 3 skill.

The slash debuff combo is 150 potency from Hakaze then to Yukikaze with a 340 potency damage pluse the 10% slash debuff.

then there is the 720 potency on the 3 Sen skill

[AlphaDragoon]

I am curious if SAM may get that Nerf Hammer due to how strong it is.

it has a lot of high potency skills than any melee DPS in the game currently with no Position requirments.

Just look at these skills!

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Samurai

1. It does have positionals. Just because they don't affect potency directly doesn't mean missing their positionals don't hurt. The loss of Kenki on missing positionals means less Hissatsu skills, and less DPS.

2. It remains to be seen just how far the gap will be from other DPS, but it needs to be high to offset its complete lack of group utility. Otherwise we fall into another Heavensward Monk scenario where their damage wasn't enough to make up for how good Dragoon and Ninja's party contributions were.

[EdwinLi]

1. It does have positionals. Just because they don't affect potency directly doesn't mean missing their positionals don't hurt. The loss of Kenki on missing positionals means less Hissatsu skills, and less DPS.

2. It remains to be seen just how far the gap will be from other DPS, but it needs to be high to offset its complete lack of group utility. Otherwise we fall into another Heavensward Monk scenario where their damage wasn't enough to make up for how good Dragoon and Ninja's party contributions were.

1) If you look at each skill the skills will increase Kenki no matter what and there is no mention of positionals required to increase the Kenki.

The positional requirement most likely got removed sometime between they mentioned it to current testing.

The increase to Kenki is now a passive skill Samurai obtain in 52 and 62


2) High potency is nice and all but when the potency is bigger than all other melee DPS in the game there may be some issues later with balancing the Job when they finally introduce a Party Utility skill unless they fully intend SAM to be the selfish DPS Job and focus on itself for the rest of the game as it get older.

We also have to consider how big the difference having larger potency skills than other melee DPS Jobs can be as their Utility can only last for a short time compared to long term effects of always having higher damage than other melee DPS jobs that Samurai has.

[Leonus]

1) If you look at each skill... has.

If Sam can't bring significantly higher dps to compete with the raid utility the other jobs bring, there would be no point to ever bring a sam.

[Subarys]

1) If you look at each skill the skills will increase Kenki no matter what and there is no mention of positionals required to increase the Kenki.

The positional requirement most likely got removed sometime between they mentioned it to current testing.

Positionals requirement are still there (Gekko : Rear/Kaska : Flank). English Tooltips are just not accurate yet.

Famitsu ITW :

＜2017年6月9日追記＞コンボをつなげて閃を付与するという仕組みは上記で説明してある通りだが、コンボの3段目となるWS“月光”や“花車”に方向指定がある点に注目してほしい。威力は変わらないものの、指定の方向からWSをくり出すことで追加で剣気が上昇するので、ダメージ効率を突きつめたいなら、かなり重要になると思われる。方向指定が成功するかどうかで剣気の運用も変わってくると思うので、侍をプレイする際には注意すべきポイントになるだろう。

Yoshida & Samurai on Famitsu ITW :

When looking at the new samurai job, I got the impression that there are a lot of things that you need to manage to play it to its fullest - is that the intent?

Yoshida: Yeah. It's meant to be an extremely strong job. I mentioned it on the producer letter live, it's a difficult job, but it has great potential.

Although the mechanisms are easily understood on the surface, when you start thinking about how to use them most efficiently, it is really deep.

Yoshida: Where do you consume Keniki to use Hissatsu, and what kind of Hissatsu do you use... I think there will be differing takes on things like that.

It also had a good set of AoE attacks. It should fit right in to instanced dungeon play. Was that also a goal with the samurai job design?

Yoshida: We've added a number of jobs now, and especially with players going to instanced dungeons as part of their daily routine, it's definitely something we think about when we add a new job.

Certainly that makes sense.

Yoshida: The first reason is that since it's a new job that a lot of players will want to use in instanced dungeons, it would be better to have more AoE attacks. However, more importantly, the samurai is designed in such a way that they will always need to be conscious of Keniki and Sen. We were conscious to make it so that players aren't just repeatedly hitting a powerful AoE attack, but going through more of an AoE attack rotation. In order to properly use the AoE attack rotation, you'll have to think about the resources you accumulate using AoE attacks alone, and consider what kinds of attacks to use so that you're not wasting resources.

We'll talk more later, but there certain areas where we've looked back at the new jobs we implemented in Heavensward and made decisions to make the new jobs somewhat stronger this time because it took a while for the new jobs to truly shine with Heavensward. It might be necessary to remind people that samurai need to remain conscious of their rotation as opposed to focusing just on strong hits in instanced dungeons. It will be tough to keep that standing in end-game content, but it's intended to be a highly challenging job.

It should be fun to think about what the most efficient attacks will be for each content.

Yoshida: I think it's good to have jobs included for pro players. It's a type of melee job that gets better and more capable the more you play it and get used to it - it's packed with potential. The only simple part of it is moving around (laughs).

It definitely felt like there was room for players to develop their skills on samurai

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/13...ew-Translation

[Shayuki]

One thing I really like when it comes to the design of Samurai is that their oGCD abilities take some thinking. Yes, Kenki usage is rather simple in its core, but you still have to consider pooling Kenki and when it'd be most useful to use. If there are no burst phases, you likely are going to be storing them up until the Ninja does Trick Attack, which is when you would empty your Kenki gauge, etc.

And in the same manner, both of Samurai's DPS cooldowns are situational and require proper usage to really get anything out of them. Meikyo Shisui is not just a flat 15% damage buff where you just continue performing your normal rotation, you have to plan for it in advance and know exactly what you're doing in order to get the greatest benefit out of it. Hagakure also requires proper usage and planning to get the most out of it. And when we add Meditate and Starry Eyes, we get a ton of optimization potential via intelligent usage of resources, with everything altering your gameplay in a manner more significant than just buffing your damage by x for 20 seconds, for instance.