How can we be DoT Mages with no DoTs?

[MomomiMomi]

Yeah, the whole "Holy says hi" crap is moot beacause you wanna hear how Holy was nerfed for 3.0. "Deals area of effect damage to nearby enemies. First target is hit with 200 potency. All targets afterwards take 10% less damage up to a maximum of 50% reduced." Wanna see how Bane was Buff/Nerfed for 3.0 "Spreads Bio, Miasma, and Bio II to all targets in range, the first 3 targets receive 100% potency with the 4th and beyond receiving 50%". Now I am no expert, but it seems to me like they evened out to 50% in the long run. But the new Bane will "Hit the first enemy with 100% the next with 80%, the third 60%, the fourth 40% and the fifth or beyond with 20%". Now again I'm no expert, but that looks like a bigger nerf than Holy ever got 50% is understandable, but 20% is pitiful.

20% of Bane is 126 potency, which is more than 50% of Holy which is 100. That's not counting the 250 potency of Shadowflare.

There is a difference in that you can't spam it though.

[Eloah]

20% of Bane is 126 potency, which is more than 50% of Holy which is 100. That's not counting the 250 potency of Shadowflare.

There is a difference in that you can't spam it though.

Now that is the 20% potency, NOW, when we lose our 3rd DoT that 20% will be lower. And also as you indicated it cannot be spammed. These are DoTs if they don't tick for the full amount of time they lose potency, which makes it worse. And for right now Shadow Flare is one of Our DoTs, but it will not be once SB is released.

[MomomiMomi]

Now that is the 20% potency, NOW, when we lose our 3rd DoT that 20% will be lower. And also as you indicated it cannot be spammed. These are DoTs if they don't tick for the full amount of time they lose potency, which makes it worse. And for right now Shadow Flare is one of Our DoTs, but it will not be once SB is released.

No, that's the potency after the changes. I don't think you realize how ludicrous SCH damage is. It needed a nerf badly.

And I still see Shadowflare in its abilities.

[Blackbird1]

personally i'm glad my alts a smn/sch now i can actually focus on dps'ing as smn and healing as sch without worrying about dots being up all the time or risk people raging since sch and smn juggle pet actions in addition to your own spells now we'll jsut have to see how it works out in stormblood they might just buff attack speels to makeup for no more dots

[Selova]

But what about the changes to SCH, we were fine as were were. Why did we have to get hit. they were able to "adjust" the traits why not give us a trait to readjust our AoE? or something?

Yeah I don't think it's fair that scholars were affected because I thought the whole reason for the abolishment of the class system was partly to free scholar from summoner so they wouldnt share their kits as far as damage goes.

I was hoping they would have had treated scholar as a stand-alone job with its own unique kit, sadly that wasn't the case and the summoner dot nerfs impacted them as well. I really feel bad for scholars.

[Eloah]

Yeah I don't think it's fair that scholars were affected because I thought the whole reason for the abolishment of the class system was partly to free scholar from summoner so they wouldnt share their kits as far as damage goes.

I was hoping they would have had treated scholar as a stand-alone job with its own unique kit, sadly that wasn't the case and the summoner dot nerfs impacted them as well. I really feel bad for scholars.

Thank you, *sniffle* :'(

[SendohJin]

Yeah I don't think it's fair that scholars were affected because I thought the whole reason for the abolishment of the class system was partly to free scholar from summoner so they wouldnt share their kits as far as damage goes.

I think Bane and Shadow Flare change was particularly targeting SCH DPS. also lost Blizz and Miasma II if I saw right?

Painflare recast change was to compensate for Bane change for SMN. it definitely hurts SMN too but SCH is the main target for this AOE nerf.

[Skyrior]

All these changes are catering to casuals who will still perform horribly even after the game got so dumbed down.

[Delorean]

honestly i wanna delete smn and remake it so it's more like yuna than this copypasta pet class crap

i think it would have been dope if players summoned primals and basically controlled them for a time which would have powerful damage and raid utilities. kind of like bards where you'd want them in your group except fuck yea megaflare and each one would do their own unique little thing

[Neophyte]

We are no DoT class anymore, at least not more than BRD.
We are the ruin/pet Job now.

If people need to open several threads for one topic, I also can just copy my post here:

We get 30s of Ruin buff *10% every minute (through 3D), we get 25% more ruin casts into a minute without losing DoTs and Ruin2 got lifted a bit for the inevitable weave.

~18 ruin/ruin2/ruin3 per minute now, let's say 6*80+12*200 = 2880 per minute. Now we get ~24 ruin/ruin3 per minute, which would maybe be 12*80+12*150 = 2720.
So not that weaker and that is with a worse ratio of ruin/ruin3 and without the Ruin4 and without the 30s ruin buff you get every minute.
And ruin3 use is even more likely because you can regain mp without dps loss if you use the mp drain GCD when no ruin buffs are up, so if we apply that same ratio as for the first case we look at 8*80+16*150 = 3040 pot with every 80 pot attack either buffed by 10%, being an 200 pot Ruin4 or refreshing your mp if both former not apply.