Thread: SCH 4.0 ability mp costs

Originally Posted by dark494

I thought it was said that stratagem didn't work like litany and that makes it hot garbage, additive vs multiplicative. Where litany would add 15% to your crit rate while stratagem would simply multiply it by 1.2.

Without testing there isn't a real way of knowing how chain stratagem works. The tooltip roughly translates to increases the rate the target takes critical hits by 20% which leads me personally to believe its not increases everyone hitting that bosses critical chance by 20% but rather multiplies your chance to critically hit by said 20% so 1.2x your crit rate. At current values its about 5-8% critical chance at best.

Hmm? The fairy being an off global cooldown alone makes it very noticeable allowing scholars to stay on the offensive. Before begging SE for buffs to one of the two perceived raiding healers I think you should actually play the expansion before jumping to conclusions. Those who have played the expansion already have stated scholars are very strong and only stronger in the fields they dominated previously with same people commenting poorly on the white mage changes.

I'm personally disappointed. If Aetherflow is reduced, it basically forces me to get the cross class mana regen skill, which I don't like. The loss of Bio potency is a hit to our ST DPS and AoE DPS and I feel we have been hit the hardest in this department. Stratagem most likely is but a small Critical hit buff which feels poor, especially considering our tools are mostly outshined by AST and it comes at a higher MP cost for us. I feel that even regardless of this, SCH will still be the go to healer. But because we are less vocal than the White Mages, who rightly are furious, it seems some issues with the class are overshadowed. It's just absurd that Astrologian got such great new tools and buffed on top of being already incredibly strong. Double AST as meta is not unthinkable.

Originally Posted by Starflake

I'm personally disappointed. If Aetherflow is reduced

It isn't; somebody read a tooltip incorrectly. It's still 20%, and you get a trait which gives a chance to reduce its CD (although it works out to be an incredibly minor buff, to be fair).

Originally Posted by Starflake

it basically forces me to get the cross class mana regen skill, which I don't like.

Yeah, I hear you. The role slots feel less like bonuses or customization options and more like 3-4 mandatory picks (mp regen, healing buff, swiftcast, and can maybe skip protect if your cohealer grabs it) and maybe one or two to play with or swap in based on fight. It also sucks that every healer (and probably all the tanks/DPS too) feels like they lost abilities to the role skills and now they need to use their limited slots to be able to do what they used to. I understand what Square was trying to do, but it doesn't feel great.

Originally Posted by Starflake

The loss of Bio potency is a hit to our ST DPS and AoE DPS and I feel we have been hit the hardest in this department.

I haven't looked at the ST numbers, but for AoE I fully agree. SCH is going to be very boring to play in regular dungeons if the dungeons don't have some very real damage output. You set up DoTs/Shadowflare, Bane, and then alternate performing your single target rotation with crying because the tank moved everything out of the shadowflare and you can't recast it for another 58.3 seconds WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS, TANK? Bane remains the highest single button AoE skill, if you don't count the DoT setup, but pushing a "fun" button once every 30 seconds and using the rest on Broil isn't the most compelling gameplay.

Originally Posted by Starflake

Stratagem most likely is but a small Critical hit buff which feels poor, especially considering our tools are mostly outshined by AST and it comes at a higher MP cost for us. I feel that even regardless of this, SCH will still be the go to healer. But because we are less vocal than the White Mages, who rightly are furious, it seems some issues with the class are overshadowed. It's just absurd that Astrologian got such great new tools and buffed on top of being already incredibly strong. Double AST as meta is not unthinkable.

I'm a WHM, and I still feel for SCH. I'm not blind to the issues they have. I realize the fairy is still the fairy, even with another embrace nerf, and they'll certainly have no issues finding a home in statics, but I don't feel like this expac has been a big win for them either. They've got an interesting new toy or two, but they lost a lot as well. We'll have to hope Square does another balance pass on them as well. At least give them a spammable AoE to do something useful in dungeons - if I end up rerolling away from WHM, I don't want to have to do 30 runs of whatever Stormblood leveling dungeons exist with just BANE.

SCH have access to both Lucid Dream and Aetherflow for mp regen. Their skills in 4.0 are comparatively 5-15% more expensive than they are now.
This will likely mean that SCH will have enough mp at all times but will budget mp. That is, SCH will decide whether or not Adloquium is worth using compared to waiting for Lustrate to come off cool-down. This is similar to WHM choosing between Cure 2 and Tetragrammaton.

Originally Posted by Soldier_Zero

SCH have access to both Lucid Dream and Aetherflow for mp regen. Their skills in 4.0 are comparatively 5-15% more expensive than they are now.
This will likely mean that SCH will have enough mp at all times but will budget mp. That is, SCH will decide whether or not Adloquium is worth using compared to waiting for Lustrate to come off cool-down. This is similar to WHM choosing between Cure 2 and Tetragrammaton.

Adlo: 1060-->1800 Succor: 1326-->2280 Broil/2: 530-->960
That looks closer to double, not 5-15%.

Originally Posted by MsTanya

Adlo: 1060-->1800 Succor: 1326-->2280 Broil/2: 530-->960
That looks closer to double, not 5-15%.

Did you take into account the actual MP increase you get from leveling 60-70?