Thread: In defense of WHM 4.0

We still have the warrior telling us all whm is perfectly fine and he's the only one that knows anything about the healing meta?

Originally Posted by Yorumi

We still have the warrior telling us all whm is perfectly fine and he's the only one that knows anything about the healing meta?

I hope this wasn't directed at me...... bc if it were you'd do better to stick to complaining with mechanics of the utility and the potential pro and cons content will render from them............ b/c all my comments have been "this is how mech works; these are the situations where it would shine; these are the situation it would be neglected...."

And talk about a troll...... where is it (if you're referring to me) have I established that I solely hold the keys to understanding WHM?? or any other job for that matter? Hasn't all my statements on skill been public accessible knowledge??? And when I was wrong about a skill or utility did I not correct myself and even remove the erroneous posts?? I seriously hope you weren't coming for me with this "weak sauce" comment.

Originally Posted by Gemina

From what I can tell, the intention of the lily gauge is not to deliberately toss unneeded heals trying to fill it up. Why would anyone do this? The question I am asking is how hard are these Stormblood mobs going to hit? The reason why I ask this, is because the more damage the group takes, the more powerful the WHM becomes. That is what this lily gauge does. You potentially get stronger and faster until you have to use an ability like Assize, or Asylum.

Except that's not at ALL what the lillies do. Having them does NOTHING for your standard cures, they ONLY reduce the recast of tetra, assize, asylum, and benison. So, no, you don't get stronger as you keep healing until you have to use one of those abilities. You're also highly unlikely to see more than one lilly (with it's measly 4% cooldown reduction on a single ability) unless you're either spamming heals even when unnecessary (apparently the "proper" way to play WHM now) or holding on to those abilities long past when they come off cooldown (In which case WHAT IS THE POINT in a cooldown reduction!?)

The difference between lillies and cards (i dont agree with your rates, i see 10 cast for 3 lillies at 20.13% prob, and spear as 33% since draw+redraw doesnt have the same probs), is that you're force to cast 10 cure/cure II in a 30s delay for whm, while AST just have to press 2 ogcd.

And ffs, its comparing 1/6 of the card 3.0 system against the whole lillies mechanic x)

It should feels way more rewarding than that!

Originally Posted by Arg0n

What? Holy will get nerfed?? really?
Do you have a link or picture?

No. He means that Bane now has the same AoE reductions that Holy and Gravity already have in place. 100% damage to the first target and a percentage decrease to every target after that.

i was comparing a whole mechanic (lillies), with 1/6th of another (cards).
And i'm comparing 2ogcd of ast against 10 gcd of WHM (which is indeed unfair for the whm, cause he need way more stuff to have less in the end.)
And yes, i agree, its unfair, that's the whole point. A whole gauge mechanic is less effective than a spear card.

For the rate of whm spells, i calculated it as if you threw a dice of 5 faces 10 times, you have 20.13% of chances to get 3 times the same face. (or throwing coins with 20%/80% chances 10 times and getting 3 times the right one also has 20.13%)

Didnt do the exact math for AST cause it is close to 1/3 anyway.

The 5s reduction from crit isnt related to the gauge.

Originally Posted by Docteur_Fluttershy

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Well there goes your math error. You're doing what's the rate of getting EXACTLY 3. Instead of calculating the rate of getting AT LEAST 3 (meaning exact 3 prob + exact 4 prob + exact 5 prob+ exact 6 prob+ 7...+ 8...+ 9.... + all 10 probability). If the lilies proc anywhere from 3-10 times within those 10 attempts it will still satisfy the requirement of 3 lilies so you can't just calculate the rate of JUST getting 3 EXACTLY.

And for the 36% for the card, this one's a bit simpler
you have 1/6 chances to draw the card you want the first time.
if you did not draw your specific card, you know have 1/5 chances this time of drawing your specific card since the previous card is discard from the deck.
the probability of getting your card EITHER the first time (1/6) or the second time (1/5) is = to 1/6+1/5 = 36%



But bk to the comparison. It boils down to a matter of opinion on how strong the recast reduction should be compared to a different utility. A fairer comparison would be to compare gauge functions to gauge functions.

Originally Posted by BloodPact

No. He means that Bane now has the same AoE reductions that Holy and Gravity already have in place. 100% damage to the first target and a percentage decrease to every target after that.

This is untrue. Bane goes 100>80>60>40>20 to everything else, while holy and gravity stop at 50% AND are spammable, which added to the miasma 2 and blizzard 2 loss makes SCH aoe a joke and they'll basically leave eos to heal, bane once, then go watch netflix or something till the pull is dead instead of feeling bad spamming a single target skill on a possibly 10-15+ mob pull.

That aside, holding on OGCDs hoping for lilies proc is extremely unefficient, plus the other thing WHM got, the stacks on party members, as far as I understand are RNG based as well, and require cure/cure 2, and ONLY those two. When in a raid scenario/dungeon you'd probably get a med2/regen up depending on how many people we're talking about, or a insta heal if it's one person.
With benediction's recast being halved, there's even less incentive to use cure/c2 when you could save mp and a GCD.